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I just started it by:

/usr/sbin/apachectl start

For which you'll need to be root.

Which seemed to work fine. I don't know how you're trying to start it, and I don't know much about Apache, but the above worked.

― KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

what K said. Also tail /var/log/httpd/error_log (path may vary) to see what it sa

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

tail /var/log/httpd/error_log gives me

[::]:80
(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:8443
(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:8443
no listening sockets available, shutting down
Unable to open logs

― -- (688), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

what Listen and ServerName directives have you got in /etc/http/httpd.conf?

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

er /etc/httpd/httpd.conf

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Do you have another web server running on port 8443? This is sometimes used as a local test version of port 443, which is the SSL port.

It looks as though it's trying to bind to 8443 but failing, because another process is bound to that port.

― KeefW (kmw), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

ive gone home now, i'll try again tomorrow

― -- (688), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

quick mac question: best browser? safari and firefox are nice but eat all my RAM, i'm using camino but the lack of bells and whistles is disturbing, and opera looks cheap :(

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

What's yr hardware/OS/RAM? I use 98% Firefox, 2% Safari, but I've got RAM out the wazoo.

― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

it's a core duo mac mini, 10.4.7, 512mb (i know this should be a gig but i can't be arsed to go back to the store)

i bought it as a curiosity but it's taken over my life :(

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Opera is the fastest, for a lower end Mac at least. But you'll have to spend an evening making it not look like shit.

I love the Opera browser!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

opera irritates me because i cannot stick a 'history' button on its toolbar which i feel demonstrates how awful my life is

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ha. Shiira is another one you could try.

Speed tests you may find useful.

Another thing to try is turning off caching, if you've got a fast connection but less RAM and processing power.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

(As for history in Opera, well you can certainly get to it by doing shift-command-H, and you can make the BACK button have little pulldown menu arrow next to it that will at least give access to that window's history)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

ha as i have an intel mac M$ (i said M$! i'm so cool) don't have compatible version of IE with which to give me viruses, keyloggers etc

i had a bash at shiira but it felt a bit LOL japan especially as one of the inbuilt links is to a page called something like HAPPY FUN KERNEL DEVELOPMENT TEAM LAUGH TIME

i liked the opera bittorrent thing esp as i was ~~trying to download v for vendetta~~ downloading linux distros

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Transmission is the neatest little RAM-light bittorrent client for a mac, but oink and uknova both block its use because it reports ratio data wrongly or something.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

ooh also: VLC won't work and i don't want to region lock my DVD drive. is there any way round this?

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Why doesn't VLC work?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, the Intel thing.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

VLC is a universal binary now.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah - check it out. Seems to be separate downloads for PowerPC and Intel, rather than Universal Binary, but yeah.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Safari is by far the fastest on the intel macs, but is even better with adblock etc from pimpmysafari.com -- and also with this you can get full-screen mode (including no menu bar) in any cocoa app.

VLC works OK on this intel mac, though I've noticed it doesn't always work if you double-click on a file. You have to launch it first, then open the file. There's no way around region-locking the drive, unless you never use DVD Player.

Torrents: Acquisition has torrent support, but Azureus is still the best. If you can run it on its own Mac, cos it's a beast.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

nah i mean VLC loads and stuff, it just won't play region 1 discs (specifically this one i got the other day) on my region 2 drive. i can't even rip the disc and remove the region shit

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm running Azureus RIGHT NOW. I think it being so slow to start up makes one think it's more of a beast than it is. I mean, right now it's taking up 45MB of RAM and 5% of my 700MHz CPU. Considering that sodding MAIL is using 30MB, that's not too bad.

x-post. That's weird. VLC is usually fine for playing any region's discs.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

i would never have strayed from safari if it weren't for the fact it seems to want 150mb to look at ile, i think it might be a bug doubtless to be fixed in the £100 leopard...still i can forgive, its not IE

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Fuckers

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

What's the easiest, quickest and simplest way to make an animated gif? I want 5 or 6 images, each about 40kb, to flick to the next one with a gap of 3 seconds between.

― Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Also, is anyone else on here using that new BThub for broadband? I am having an absolute nightmare with it - it won't let me in to open ports, I can't get wireless working on my secondary pc, Soulseek works for about 10 seconds before cutting out, it cuts out about twice every hour, and so on. Can someone recommend a comprehensive ISP message board out there where I can ask about this type of thing?

― Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

what Listen and ServerName directives have you got in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf?

um, i dont have /etc/httpd/httpd.conf!

ls /etc/httpd
alias build conf conf.d logs modules run

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, my mistake, you mean /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf ...just looking now

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:47 (nineteen years ago)

those http conf files change their name with every linux distribution. is annoying. what linux needs is a registry... 8)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

listen directive is just

Listen 80

rest is commented out. servername directive is all commented out

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

if the 8443 socket is still a problem and you don't need ssl you can probably just disable it - comment out the LoadModule line for ssl_module. (where this is depends on your distribution, might be httpd.conf, might be somewhere else (mine's in mods-available/ssl.conf (ubuntu)))

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

It looks as though it's trying to bind to 8443 but failing, because another process is bound to that port.

is the correct answer! i think

/etc/init.d/thttpd stop
Stopping thttpd: [ OK ]
[root@localhost html]# /sbin/service httpd start
Starting httpd: [ OK ]

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

im not sure how this thttpd got started up, but there it (was)

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

comrade computer nerds! can you get female -> male DVI adapters?

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh, thttp is 'tiny httpd' another httpd server, probably installed by default. you'll need to disable it or it'll start up again next time you reboot (again, how you do this is distro specific. i think fedora 5 has a gui tool to let you define services but i usually just add / remove things to /etc/rc?.d. add apache whilst you're there.)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

so i finally got my laptop looked at (for free, hurrah) and the conclusion is that liquid has got in it and the motherboard's fucked. argh. what to do? bruv suggests getting a £100 one off ebay then taking the functioning bits - processor? memory? um as you can tell i have no idea what i'm talking about - out of the busted one and putting them in the new one. is this a)feasible b)a good idea?

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

im back on the windows partition for a bit, so cant look, but...

/etc/rc?.d.

i have rc1.d through rc6.d ...which should i be adding to? i didnt look at the gui bit for that, would prefer to use command line, as is better to try learn more that way

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

The default runlevel is defined in /etc/inittab

Look for a line in that file that looks something like:

id:3:initdefault:

- which means that the default level is 3, so look in /etc/rc3.d/

The contents of those folders will all just be links back to files in /etc/init.d/

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

ok, so ls /etc/rc5.d/

gives me a whole bunch of stuff, including...

S85thttpd

so, do i just rm this? and, if i add apache in, how, exactly would i do that?

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

yes. it might also be in rc3.d though (init level 3 is multi-user, init level 5 is multi-user with xwindows running, generally, it could be in both).

ls -lR /etc/rc?.d is your friend. you will see what fp is talking about, the files will all be links to the main copy in /etc/init.d.

just rm the thttp links in the rc?.d directories that you don't want.

to add apache just create a new link to apache to replace the one you've just deleted:
ln -s /etc/init.d/(apachefilename) /etc/rc5.d/S85(apachefilename)

(the S85 means 'Start' and an ordering (because sometimes things have to be running before other things will run). there may be K versions of the files as well, these are shutdown (K for Kill) scripts)

this is why redhat provides a tool 8)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

This is why I prefer Gentoo!

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

(i've disabled all the network related services at home to speed up boot time and because it's a standalone box 99% of the time. i have one script that'll start everything if i need it. oddly, network has to be up to debug php cgi programs.)

(gentoo uses a different system, doesn't it? not sure i bothered even adding the networky stuff on my gentoo box let alone configured it)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

It does. The start/stop scripts are still kept in /etc/init.d, but they're not ordinary shell scripts, and the numeric runlevels are mapped to named ones - "single", "nonetwork" and "default". They still use a symlink tree, under /etc/runlevels/[level], but there is a command-line script to handle the linking. Dependancies and ordering are handled automatically, whether the links are added manually or not.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

thanks, duders, i did that, and it...works! apache starts at boot.

probably back in 5 mins with my next problem;)

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

how is linux on the laptop going? am trying to find a cheap one with decent nvidia graphics chipset but not having much luck. lenovo have one for about £1000, vaios go for about the same (not sure i'm keen on Sony tbh). about half that would be nice.

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'd avoid Vaios if I were you. I've never seen one with Linux, but the ones I've seen with Windows on have had enough problems.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

it seems to be fine, havent got a lot to compare it to. its on a dell latitude (the ones with the flammable batteries)

― -- (688), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

(ran knoppix on brother's vaio over christmas. no 3d and no sound. and no wireless but i think all of that can be fixed with a bit of messing around. cd drive seemed v flimsy though)

(asus seem to do cheaper (£6xx) nvidia laptops. can't help but think what £600 of improvements to current box would do though. 1TB+ of disk for a start!)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

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