U.S. Politics, November 2024: GARBAGE DAY!!

hold me closer tiny fascist

lol my bro just met John Fetterman because he came to R@ptor 3ncount3r at Un!vers@l Studios

sad I didn't know, I could have fed him a message to give him from us

From a roundtable here's Chuck Rocha, former Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign adviser:

If the Democratic Party is going to win elections moving into the future, we have to return to the values that made me join this party in 1990 as a 20-year-old factory worker in East Texas. I joined the Democratic Party to fight back against the NAFTA trade deal which was going to send my tire manufacturing job overseas. I also wanted to drain the D.C. swamp of rich elite people who thought they were better than me even though my tax dollars paid many of their salaries. I also want to stop wasting money, killing people overseas and invest that into factory towns like I grew up in where people were struggling. Who does that sound like? This may help as we lose men at such a dramatic rate.

We have become way too reliant on polling modeling and ad testing, and we have stopped talking to a wide swathe of people with low voter scores who get up every day and take a shower after they are done with work not before. This correlates a lot with the Latino performance because the fastest growing segment of the working class are Latino voters and one in four Latino men are tied to the construction industry. These voters aligned with the Democratic Party. They just don’t trust the brand anymore because Fox News and the podcast brosphere tell them we are weak.

Ruben Gallego’s Senate race showed us a path to win these groups back if we follow his lead and his campaign strategy, which helped deliver over 60 percent of Latino male voters to him while at the same time having historical performance with women.

It's great to hear some positive words and ways in which y'all are dealing with this river of pain.

As for me, I'm still in the depressed/devastated/angry-AF phase, caught in the doom loop of these two items:
a) intense frustration at voters for claiming to be against Project 2025 and pro-choice, yet electing a rapist plutocrat that aims at packing the courts with judicial activists that will nullify any past or future progressive legislation, or at worst, use the bench to force Project 2025 upon us
("How did you fall for this bullshit?")

b) equally intense anger at Dem campaign operatives - if the voters are so easy to manipulate, then where was our version of this manipulation? Why did we run a national campaign primarily aimed to please the aesthetic preferences and media diets of those who already own a Prius, rather than those who cannot yet afford, let alone might not want one? (And why did I reject my own doubts of this strategy?) In the future, I want a presidential candidate who, when standing on the debate stage with a rapist who dehumanizes fellow americans, will fucking call him a rapist and rip into him for demonizing Americans, directly to his fucking face. I want a campaign willing to get dirty, unmerciful, and ruthless.

(I realize this glosses over several items like third-way Clintonista failures of the '90s and '00s, mainstream media 'both-sides'ism on Trump, Joe Lieberman holding the Public Option hostage, Manchinema, AIPAC, Biden's unwillingness to spread the word about legislative victories in '21 and '22, Biden's unwillingness (or inability) to say anything at all about anything, etc...)

Worth a read:

“Blaming the outcome of this election on the Hispanic electorate is simply not supported by the electoral math in the Blue Wall states. To say otherwise is not only irresponsible, it is bad political analysis,” say Equis’s co-founders @stephanievalenc and @carlosodio pic.twitter.com/meMEAuRrUF

— María Luisa Paúl (@marialuisapaulr) November 6, 2024

kinda wonder what's in store for Harris after January... once you've been VP, it's not like you go back to the Senate or something... and it doesn't seem like she'd win a primary to have another go at the WF. Retirement, I guess? Start a foundation or something

Harris ultimately had the support she
needed with Latinos to win, if all else held according to plan.

xpost She'll follow the Nixon playbook and run for CA governor, lose, and then be elected President in 2032.

Boards of Directors, Chancellorship at a UC school

Well, I can't tell if "had the support she needed with Latinos to win" means "to win the election" and "to win Latinos."

She can be the one greenlighting kinetic action against student protesters when we start drone striking climate refugees.

andor xpost

walmart greeter maybe

look we can talk about the Dems' failings all we want but at the end of the day 73 million people decided they wanted more Donald Trump in their lives, something I cannot process at all given that he embodies every single negative trait that a man could possibly have...the only conclusion is people like him because he makes folks like me upset. and that's sort of difficult to process right now. what did I ever do to you, asshole?

I think it's more that he makes the ladies on the View upset

Nah, it's definitely knowing they piss off people in their orbit. Hence my asshole coworker bringing in Trump cookies to "share" when he knows damn well he was the only Trump voter in the office.

There is so much literal insanity out there. I just saw a post from a former co-worker who married a Libertarian and became a trad-wife about how having RFK in the administration is "a miracle of epic proportions."

it's ok Kennedys don't live long

Rose was around for awhile

The brain worms and China white granted RFK immortality.

RFK, FDA. What else do I have to say?

I had a friend who was the most radical and effective anti-nuke activist in Oregon. One of his favorite sayings was "If you keep doing was you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always got."

I suspect this embodies what a lot of 'independent' US voters have been feeling strongly. They don't like what the system has been delivering. This has been especially true since the Bush II administration, with the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, the Financial Crisis, and now the Fentanyl Crisis. They're tired of servicing the needs of the empire. They feel no obligation to globalism or to refugees. They see Ukraine as just one more Iraq. They want the US government to serve them and nobody else. To them Trump looks like he also doesn't care about "the US Role in the World" and wants to toss "World Leadership and Responsibility to Our Allies" in the trash bin.

There is definitely some portion of Trump supporters that is doing it to own the libs.

There is also a huge portion of Trump supporters who vote for him in spite of his act. How often do we see interviews with supporters saying, "I don't like how he acts, but I'm going to vote for him anyway."

The bottom line for democrats is that it is now obvious that running on how awful Trump and Trumpism is is a losing strategy. So what else do they have?

(posted this on bluesky yesterday but guess it's relevant here)

Listening to 1930s US radio vs 1949 US radio has been quite a thing. Before the war socialists and communists were welcome on discussion shows, by 1949 they are just The Enemy and their voices aren't heard. Despite the end of the cold war, that's still the case today, though fascism is now just fine now

xpost She'll follow the Nixon playbook and run for CA governor, lose, and then be elected President in 2032.

yeah, nixon didn't look like a proper californian - she's got the look

na na na na na

xpost - while some might appreciate the candor, I was once again reminded that billionaires should not exist when I read about the ones supporting Trump. a couple of them pretty much straight up said, "I can't stand him and he's going to do a lot of damage but, hey, he's going to make me significantly richer so I am supporting him"

Also, GTFO Schumer with your begging texts these past two days.

I JUST GOT TWO OF THE DAMN THINGS

"now that we failed to win, give us more money to fight"

We've got bills!

"alright, in this scene, I want you to portray a Democrat"

"hmm, can I get some help?"

"ah, you've got it, perfect!"

look we can talk about the Dems' failings all we want but at the end of the day 73 million people decided they wanted more Donald Trump in their lives, something I cannot process at all given that he embodies every single negative trait that a man could possibly have...the only conclusion is people like him because he makes folks like me upset.

I promise I'll shut up about this after this post, but this is the first year in history that every single national incumbent party across the world has lost vote share. This election wasn't only about Trump, even if it should have been.

xp - genuine irl lols Neando, thanks I needed that today

_look we can talk about the Dems' failings all we want but at the end of the day 73 million people decided they wanted more Donald Trump in their lives, something I cannot process at all given that he embodies every single negative trait that a man could possibly have...the only conclusion is people like him because he makes folks like me upset._

I promise I'll shut up about this after this post, but this is the first year in history that every single national incumbent party across the world has lost vote share. This election wasn't only about Trump, even if it should have been.

yeah, that's where i am.

All those undecided morons who keep putting the GOP back in power will be back just like in 96, 2000, 2020 in 4 years after Trump and these clowns really fxxk the economy.

Good luck on that inflation cutting the sh1t outta taxes and raising tariffs at the same time.

I know why this is but man is it ever deflating to hear Biden and Harris say "it'll be ok" after yelling about the end of democracy non stop for months.

but this is the first year in history that every single national incumbent party across the world has lost vote share. This election wasn't only about Trump, even if it should have been.

just reposted this, excellent context to fight back against the dumbass fringe lefties who are already posting "this was rigged"

They should have STOPPED THE STEAL at about 8:30 est on Tuesday iirc

I know why this is but man is it ever deflating to hear Biden and Harris say "it'll be ok" after yelling about the end of democracy non stop for months.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, November 7, 2024 4:45 PM bookmarkflaglink

I mean what can you say? "give up - it's all over, our lives are ruined"? I took it more like a 'we have each other' type statement, not literally meaning nothing bad will happen.

woulda been nice if Biden had said "yo, find the nearest Nazi. got him? punch him until his mouth looks like a Rubik's cube" though

Not too late for Biden to say that though

I mean what can you say? "give up - it's all over, our lives are ruined"?

Say the kind of things that are said in this thread. "If your mom voted for Trump, delete her number from your phone. If your co-worker wants to talk shit, catch him in the parking lot. These people have spent the last year telling us that we are their mortal enemies. Act accordingly."

In other words, sound like a dumbass.

I just got an email from Walz about 'some Senate races that still need our help'... really?

I guess grief-giving is a thing but we already gave you a cool billion

The American public embraces dumbassery on every level. Did you miss the meeting on Tuesday?

Maybe just one more Cornpop anecdote, one that’s relevant

These people.

Democratic donor-advisor Dmitri Mehlhorn:

"The Second American Republic (1868-2024) is over."

"I’m heading back to the private sector." pic.twitter.com/bUsQbQ5L4N

— Teddy Schleifer (@teddyschleifer) November 7, 2024