U.S. Politics, November 2024: GARBAGE DAY!!

The federal stuff will all go away immediately cuz he'll fire Jack Smith (and hell, probably launch an investigation into him for good measure).

nah, the issue is that Trump can appeal his sentencing and by the time that appeal would be heard, then he'd be a sitting President, and current legal theory is you can't prosecute a sitting President. it won't even come down to a difficult call by the judge

the federal justice department has a standing mandate not to prosecute a sitting president. at the state level this isn't the norm. it hasn't come up before i don't think

>>so trump's sentencing is on november 26<<

It was last night. He got four years.

grim lol @ this

the People chose mediocrity, and mediocrity is what we'll get

i wish

the georgia case bothers me the most. the phone call was so damning. the reason it was bungled so idiotic.

i wish

Seriously, almost posted earlier that I WISH mediocrity was all we were in for.

that was the other side's promise

I feel genuine pity for any young man who looks at Trump and sees strength. It only takes the smallest bit of actual contact with human beings over the course of a lifetime to know better. But I guess if your entire life experience has been posting things online to get a reaction, being the world's #1 Troll seems like quite an accomplishment.

incredibly depressing. i am surprised that young women are also trending rightward

I am in complete shock and devastation, and a can barely muster anything other than angry shouts and expletives right now. I feel like i'm in a fugue state, not quite sure if I'm actually awake or not, in total denial that this really happened. And whoa, Cow_Art, I am really sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you are not injured.

I want to offer a sincere apology to all of you on this board for my optimism, and how inaccurate it was. Re-reading my previous posts here, I see example after example of the consequences of letting my obsession with data and trends obscure my sheltered status from social media (beyond this site and a dischord server), specifically people who still get their news regularly from these sources that I’ve abandoned for my own mental health. Sometimes my posts received a deserved pushback, and I now appreciate how instead of trying to explain why I might be right, I need to try to figure out how I could be wrong.

I want to thank all of you for providing this space, and being there through all of this.

xp - like io said, apparently many women believe proximity to male power is the closest we will get to having power ourselves and is therefore desirable. it makes sense even if it's incorrect.

i feel a lot of grief for what could have been
i believed in her as a leader

i'd love to believe this will lead to greater radicalization of the left but...while we were sleeping, the right stole the kids.

like we can put the lie to bed that "the old guard is dying, the future is blue".

Love to you, Prefecture.

i feel a lot of grief for what could have been
i believed in her as a leader

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, November 6, 2024 1:05 PM bookmarkflaglink

this is it too. I know many itt have had issues with some of her policies and her being a cop, but...this wasn't just about Never Trumping for me like it was in 2020, I really wanted her in the White House. not just for the glass ceiling part (though obviously that matters too), but as a foil for this toxic wastedump that is 50% of our population.

xp - Yeah, that was what I was hinting in my badly worded post from late last night, we have to stop pretending we can relax because "the kids will save us". Last night made that crystal clear. We cannot rely on that.

I want to scream but I'll spare you all the all-caps espesh since I expect the bulk of people reading this agrees with me, but America/the Democrats haven't offered the kids anything convincing to believe in or hang their hats on yet. Just a worse planet, a worse economy, worse jobs, worse opportunities, more war, less housing, more genocide, more billionaires, less society. Like...please. Please. This is not an unanswerable question.

The economy sucking (or belief that it sucks if you want to maintain that it’s great actually) hits young people hardest - selling despondent people on the value and importance of norms is tough.

I am in complete shock and devastation, and a can barely muster anything other than angry shouts and expletives right now. I feel like i'm in a fugue state, not quite sure if I'm actually awake or not, in total denial that this really happened. And whoa, Cow_Art, I am really sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you are not injured.

I want to offer a sincere apology to all of you on this board for my optimism, and how inaccurate it was. Re-reading my previous posts here, I see example after example of the consequences of letting my obsession with data and trends obscure my sheltered status from social media (beyond this site and a dischord server), specifically people who still get their news regularly from these sources that I’ve abandoned for my own mental health. Sometimes my posts received a deserved pushback, and I now appreciate how instead of trying to explain why I might be right, I need to try to figure out how I could be wrong.

I want to thank all of you for providing this space, and being there through all of this.

― Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Wednesday, November 6, 2024 1:04 PM bookmarkflaglink

If it makes you feel better, we all did it! I almost NEVER look at EV data or conjecture on turnout, and people were warning about getting too excited about it. the fact is we've known we were at risk of losing the WH all year, and we needed hope, and we turned to it where we could find it. that just makes us human.

the anecdata looked positive in the week leading up. maybe we should have been more skeptical but...at least we had a lost go at joy before the fall.

Thanks, Raymond Cummings. Love you, too!

I admire and thank those of you willing to talk about a way forward, or post inspirational statements and poetry, even if I'm not ready to engage with it just yet

incredibly depressing. i am surprised that young women are also trending rightward

proximity to power is one thing but it’s also the growing popularity of trad wife / anti-science wellness and beauty / momfluencer / corporate feminism content targeted at young women on social media

I’ve been on a lot of pregnancy forums/social media the past few months and it’s genuinely frightening how many young US mothers are seemingly ok with having their reproductive rights taken away either because they personally could not imagine aborting their children for any reason or believe they will never need abortion care for say, an ectopic pregnancy, a miscarriage or other complications. And how many are choosing not to vaccinate their kids for anything (while coopting language like “my/my child’s body, my choice” of course)

They genuinely believe that their doctors are lying or that they can avoid a D&C just by drinking herbal tea or that their unviable pregnancies will magically survive if they just trusted their body to do its thing

The sad thing is… I can see and understand how many ended up that way because well, medical misogyny is a real thing and lots of young women have learned not to trust that the healthcare system has their best interests at heart. It’s all just scary and heartbreaking

house not decided yet, but looking like a pipe dream

In the House, by my count:
—GOP can count on 206 seats (=seats called by AP or CNN + seats where it leads big *&* were considered safe pre-election), plus leads in 16 that are uncalled.
—Dems can count on 193 seats, plus leads in 20 that are uncalled/tight.

— Taniel (@Taniel) November 6, 2024

would it have made any difference if Biden had said that he wasn't going to run for a second term and there had been a real primary with candidates, etc...

Probably not, a different candidate might have broken harder with Biden but anyone who really repudiated him wouldn’t have made it out of Iowa.

Duncan Jones, director of Moon and son of David Bowie: “I think we may have overestimated the goodness in people,” he wrote.

idk i think a high-salience primary probably did help in 2020

a brokered convention or rushed primary process wouldn’t have changed anything this year and kamala prob would’ve won off name recognition alone

for all the finger-pointing, I can't help but think that nothing really would've made a difference. this was a fait accompli from the minute Trump won the nomination. I wouldn't have thought so yesterday morning, but the scale of his win pushes me toward that conclusion.

Here’s my take on the election… I spent the last several months traveling around speaking to my members across the Rust Belt. We spoke with thousands of IUPAT members and stressed the importance of this election.

— Jimmy Williams (@Jimmy_iupat) November 6, 2024

, I can't help but think that nothing really would've made a difference. this was a fait accompli from the minute Trump won the nomination. I wouldn't have thought so yesterday morning, but the scale of his win pushes me toward that conclusion.

Seriously, I can't think of anything. He should have been detained on Jan 7th.

The assassin could have practiced more

absolutely. the Republican party watched the insurrection and collectively shrugged their shoulders. I kinda suspected that moment would lead to where we are now; if the entire GOP apparatus doesn't take government seriously, why should their voters?

we always get the Keystone Kops shooters. meanwhile, Kennedy gets picked off with a Doug Flutie hail mary

Roz
Posted: 6 November 2024 at 18:12:20
incredibly depressing. i am surprised that young women are also trending rightward

proximity to power is one thing but it’s also the growing popularity of trad wife / anti-science wellness and beauty / momfluencer / corporate feminism content targeted at young women on social media

Probably not, a different candidate might have broken harder with Biden but anyone who really repudiated him wouldn’t have made it out of Iowa.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, November 6, 2024 1:18 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, this is the problem. Democratic primary voters actually love politicians like Biden.

It's Trump AND the economy and general perceptions of Biden being weak and out of touch with people's lives. Trump's negatives were sufficient that I don't think he could have taken down a better-liked and -trusted incumbent administration. But it was Biden's persistent and declining negatives last year that really started to alarm me, combined with that ruthless right track/wrong track metric. No incumbent since they started tracking that has ever been reelected with negatives that bad. That's why replacing Biden was the only real shot, but obviously not enough because not enough people saw Harris as the "change" candidate. I think it's possible an open Dem primary with Biden sitting out could have produced someone with a better shot, but it's possible that the experience of the last 4 years was sufficient to just close the door no matter who it was.

y'all ready for chief adviser RFK Jr.? Rubio wants him as Secretary of Health & Human Services

Fucking hell, it's going to be Buttigieg v Vance in 2028, isn't it?

can't wait for the next pandemic

Minor in the scope of things of course, but remembering that we're going to have to watch in real time as Musk and his other cabinet members blatantly grift their way to billions and billions.

I'm guessing Shapiro vs. Vance

I can’t imagine a 2028 federal election at this point.

it's easy if you try

the internet was the worst invention.

but then again, it brought me you all. so maybe not

it’s much easier to make an elections fait accompli than to cancel one entirely

this isn't such a new phenom. Most of the teenage boys I went to school were loved Reagan because he looked tough and dropped bombs on Libya and they watched Rambo and Red Dawn and stuff

were= with

Trump is going to have 40% job approval out of the gate and the economy isn't going to get miraculously better (though the Fed that was trying to tank Biden might keep slipping the noose more than they have been).

I’m kinda done looking at election news but the front pages of major publications making clear just how dark this is in their headlines now, NOW, after years of softening things….

Whew.