U.S. Politics, November 2024: GARBAGE DAY!!

The younger vote is deeply disheartening but also not necessarily surprising to anyone who's ever known or been a young man. Highest-risk population for basically every imaginable stupid act, including voting for fascists.

Can't help but keep thinking about the reel I saw with interviews of white dudes on some college campus that were saying they were explicitly voting Trump because it would piss off women they knew. I don't know how we unfuck that.

guess the Joe Rogan endorsement really did matter

as we nurse our wounds, I still want to thank everyone here who helped on the campaign: canvassing, phone banking, writing postcards.. it really does matter

the People chose mediocrity, and mediocrity is what we'll get

xp Dana White shouted out Adin Ross, Theo Von, Nelk Boys, and Joe Rogan during the victory speeches last night. The weirdest nightmare.

The apt analogy I saw earlier this morning was having a tumor removed, confirming that is indeed cancerous and asking your doctor to put it back in

I used to truly love this country, despite everything. Cared for it very deeply, in spite of it all, was honestly proud to be an American in a very deep, very personal way, which I almost never felt comfortable sharing with anyone. Say what you will, but I really did.

But thinking about moving recently, those are the exact terms that came to mind. At one point, the idea of leaving would have felt like losing a working limb. Today it feels more like cutting off a malignancy, getting free from some kind of growth that no longer feels like a part of me, is slowly draining me.

Women, maybe moreso young women but I think really all ages, will always be slightly dragged rightward as long as they stand to gain from proximity to patriarchal power and the approval of male authority holders and their male peers. That's patriarchy/Christianity for ya, and that's the prevailing culture in America.

Men ages 18-29 seem to have shifted near 30 points rightward from 2020, while women ages 18-29 have a less pronounced shift to the right but still extant. pic.twitter.com/yvqLPyidsE
— Sami Gold (@souljagoytellem) November 6, 2024

this is insane

i have seen rumblings of it with my students. trump is the edgy pick for young boys. i guess he didn't have this appeal in 16 and 20 to the same extent? or the young people then were less nihilistic?

The "anti-woke" backlash was pretty much guaranteed to hit with young dudes. Same thing happened with the "anti-PC" wave of the '90s (part of why Gen X has always been so Trump-friendly).

hey table thank you for the poem way upthread, really resonated

I think the Youtube manosphere was less fully developed back then? Or wasn't as all in for Trump at least. Rogan didn't endorse him in 2020 iirc.

The full embrace of RFK Jr. on these shows paved the way.

The children of the pandemic

https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/2024-presidential-election-marks-closest-new-york-has-come-to-turning-red-in-30-years-as-trump-support-surges-in-nyc/

harris only beat trump by 11% in NYC, compared to 20-30% dating back to obama. big jump in trump support in the bronx, manhattan, and queens.

I’m looking for bright spots today, here’s another one: whatever happens to the economy, next year he’ll have to own that.

Ooooof NYC

so trump's sentencing is on november 26

will the judge issue a prison sentence and force a crisis or will he slink away?

so trump's sentencing is on november 26

It was last night. He got four years.

This is terrible to say, but I almost would welcome a way not to know.

white house arrest

he's skating on everything. he will not see a single consequence from any crime he committed. i don't know why we would pretend otherwise.

insane

Maybe he'll be sentenced to community service.

nothing will happen to him and he has a clear pass from the supreme court to continue to do illegal shit

Yeah, last night was the Ultimate Wriggle. All of his trials will be suspended during his Presidency and likely never resurrected.

Yeah, I mean last night absolutely cemented that he won't ever face a single day in prison, ever. Guaran-fucking-tee that the judge will say something about "risking loss of faith in the judicial system by sentencing a freely elected president yadda yadda blah blah".

The federal stuff will all go away immediately cuz he'll fire Jack Smith (and hell, probably launch an investigation into him for good measure).

nah, the issue is that Trump can appeal his sentencing and by the time that appeal would be heard, then he'd be a sitting President, and current legal theory is you can't prosecute a sitting President. it won't even come down to a difficult call by the judge

the federal justice department has a standing mandate not to prosecute a sitting president. at the state level this isn't the norm. it hasn't come up before i don't think

>>so trump's sentencing is on november 26<<

It was last night. He got four years.

grim lol @ this

the People chose mediocrity, and mediocrity is what we'll get

i wish

the georgia case bothers me the most. the phone call was so damning. the reason it was bungled so idiotic.

i wish

Seriously, almost posted earlier that I WISH mediocrity was all we were in for.

that was the other side's promise

I feel genuine pity for any young man who looks at Trump and sees strength. It only takes the smallest bit of actual contact with human beings over the course of a lifetime to know better. But I guess if your entire life experience has been posting things online to get a reaction, being the world's #1 Troll seems like quite an accomplishment.

incredibly depressing. i am surprised that young women are also trending rightward

I am in complete shock and devastation, and a can barely muster anything other than angry shouts and expletives right now. I feel like i'm in a fugue state, not quite sure if I'm actually awake or not, in total denial that this really happened. And whoa, Cow_Art, I am really sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you are not injured.

I want to offer a sincere apology to all of you on this board for my optimism, and how inaccurate it was. Re-reading my previous posts here, I see example after example of the consequences of letting my obsession with data and trends obscure my sheltered status from social media (beyond this site and a dischord server), specifically people who still get their news regularly from these sources that I’ve abandoned for my own mental health. Sometimes my posts received a deserved pushback, and I now appreciate how instead of trying to explain why I might be right, I need to try to figure out how I could be wrong.

I want to thank all of you for providing this space, and being there through all of this.

xp - like io said, apparently many women believe proximity to male power is the closest we will get to having power ourselves and is therefore desirable. it makes sense even if it's incorrect.

i feel a lot of grief for what could have been
i believed in her as a leader

i'd love to believe this will lead to greater radicalization of the left but...while we were sleeping, the right stole the kids.

like we can put the lie to bed that "the old guard is dying, the future is blue".

Love to you, Prefecture.

i feel a lot of grief for what could have been
i believed in her as a leader

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, November 6, 2024 1:05 PM bookmarkflaglink

this is it too. I know many itt have had issues with some of her policies and her being a cop, but...this wasn't just about Never Trumping for me like it was in 2020, I really wanted her in the White House. not just for the glass ceiling part (though obviously that matters too), but as a foil for this toxic wastedump that is 50% of our population.

xp - Yeah, that was what I was hinting in my badly worded post from late last night, we have to stop pretending we can relax because "the kids will save us". Last night made that crystal clear. We cannot rely on that.

I want to scream but I'll spare you all the all-caps espesh since I expect the bulk of people reading this agrees with me, but America/the Democrats haven't offered the kids anything convincing to believe in or hang their hats on yet. Just a worse planet, a worse economy, worse jobs, worse opportunities, more war, less housing, more genocide, more billionaires, less society. Like...please. Please. This is not an unanswerable question.

The economy sucking (or belief that it sucks if you want to maintain that it’s great actually) hits young people hardest - selling despondent people on the value and importance of norms is tough.

I am in complete shock and devastation, and a can barely muster anything other than angry shouts and expletives right now. I feel like i'm in a fugue state, not quite sure if I'm actually awake or not, in total denial that this really happened. And whoa, Cow_Art, I am really sorry to hear about your accident, and glad you are not injured.

I want to offer a sincere apology to all of you on this board for my optimism, and how inaccurate it was. Re-reading my previous posts here, I see example after example of the consequences of letting my obsession with data and trends obscure my sheltered status from social media (beyond this site and a dischord server), specifically people who still get their news regularly from these sources that I’ve abandoned for my own mental health. Sometimes my posts received a deserved pushback, and I now appreciate how instead of trying to explain why I might be right, I need to try to figure out how I could be wrong.

I want to thank all of you for providing this space, and being there through all of this.

― Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Wednesday, November 6, 2024 1:04 PM bookmarkflaglink

If it makes you feel better, we all did it! I almost NEVER look at EV data or conjecture on turnout, and people were warning about getting too excited about it. the fact is we've known we were at risk of losing the WH all year, and we needed hope, and we turned to it where we could find it. that just makes us human.

the anecdata looked positive in the week leading up. maybe we should have been more skeptical but...at least we had a lost go at joy before the fall.

Thanks, Raymond Cummings. Love you, too!

I admire and thank those of you willing to talk about a way forward, or post inspirational statements and poetry, even if I'm not ready to engage with it just yet

incredibly depressing. i am surprised that young women are also trending rightward

proximity to power is one thing but it’s also the growing popularity of trad wife / anti-science wellness and beauty / momfluencer / corporate feminism content targeted at young women on social media

I’ve been on a lot of pregnancy forums/social media the past few months and it’s genuinely frightening how many young US mothers are seemingly ok with having their reproductive rights taken away either because they personally could not imagine aborting their children for any reason or believe they will never need abortion care for say, an ectopic pregnancy, a miscarriage or other complications. And how many are choosing not to vaccinate their kids for anything (while coopting language like “my/my child’s body, my choice” of course)

They genuinely believe that their doctors are lying or that they can avoid a D&C just by drinking herbal tea or that their unviable pregnancies will magically survive if they just trusted their body to do its thing

The sad thing is… I can see and understand how many ended up that way because well, medical misogyny is a real thing and lots of young women have learned not to trust that the healthcare system has their best interests at heart. It’s all just scary and heartbreaking

house not decided yet, but looking like a pipe dream

In the House, by my count:
—GOP can count on 206 seats (=seats called by AP or CNN + seats where it leads big *&* were considered safe pre-election), plus leads in 16 that are uncalled.
—Dems can count on 193 seats, plus leads in 20 that are uncalled/tight.

— Taniel (@Taniel) November 6, 2024