U.S. Politics, November 2024: GARBAGE DAY!!

same, friend

It’s truly the fucking end of the country. If you can get out, DO SO

Sad to say but I'm taking consolation in time going faster at my age, and four years doesn't seem too long to wait for the end of this.

Sad for Jimmy Carter.

<3 to American friends on here.

Thanks buddy

Legit serious question for anyone who knows: is the ACA in peril if the House flips blue? I'm hopeful they can stop the inevitable repeal attempts, but I can't remember how many hurdles a repeal requires.

I'd like to stay alive, plz.

beamish, please. you aren’t helping. “getting out” is a real possibility for only the tiniest percentage of people. you got out, bully for you. now log off.

is harris losing the entire fucking blue wall are you kidding me?

cryptocurrency is not a risk for a global financial crisis unless trump somehow manages to make bitcoin a load-bearing part of the economy instead of just a stupid scam, and i don't think he cares enough to do that

Only just squeaking through in New York, Jeez

is the ACA in peril if the House flips blue?

not unless some dems cave on it

Even with a billion dollar war chest, she couldn’t pull this off. Amazing

It really drives home the fact that everything we knew about how to run a winning campaign is wrong

“I just don’t know if I can function in a world where he’s President again.”

It’s truly the fucking end of the country. If you can get out, DO SO

― beamish13, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 bookmarkflaglink

This is shortsighted. If Trump imposes Tariffs he could screw a lot of Western economies.

Please check the business pages in your local newspaper tonight.

It's all new territory now... I give a lot of credence to a global shift to the right for all the usual reasons in that thread.

It really drives home the fact that everything we knew about how to run a winning campaign is wrong

idk harris went from having a lot of momentum early on when she was a relative unknown, but then emphasised she was a continuation of the biden admin (which is very unpopular), pivoted to the right and focused a lot of energy on endorsements from bush-era republicans who no one likes, instead of offering up a real vision. felt like both sides were actively trying to lose but harris lost because she was the incumbent (essentially)

been strategising with a (romantic) couple of trans friends (one US one UK) for the last couple of hours what to do and only just now the UK one has revealed she has an Irish passport (the US one is Irish by descent too). obviously they should marry and move there right

It's over

Harris never firmly defined herself as being anything beyond the establishment centrist she is

undisputed stupidest goddamn country on the planet

Looking at the States that are left, this is a blow out.

UFO otm. Harris didn't do enough to differentiate herself from Biden (who ofc would've lost by even more).

She did distance herself from his early economic populism and her advisors were gunning for Lina Khan.

It really drives home the fact that everything we knew about how to run a winning campaign is wrong

― frogbs, Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:58 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I can think of a guy who seemed to have the right idea…

only a question of how much worse it’s gonna get, i.e. eliminating vaccine mandates (really bad) vs banning vaccines and taking them off the market (apocalyptic)

Well, if nothing else, at least I managed to get some sleep tonight (unlike eight years ago).

Beyond that: I have no idea what to say right now, everyone.

I'm depressed but yeah getting ready for bed

PA called for trump

I keep hearing fireworks. What a horrible place, what a hell this is.

Something like 45% of voters said Harris is “too liberal”

Will take a while for the House to be decided.

Democrats are underdogs for the House right now, but still have a clear lane. In our @SplitTicket_ forecast, where we put them at 219, the only races they've currently lost that we favored them in are #PA07 and #PA08. But now they'll need an upset, and...well...*gestures around*

— Lakshya Jain (@lxeagle17) November 6, 2024

White women really didn’t care about Dobbs huh? White supremacy is a hell of a drug.

We need to figure out how to make shit better, safer and more inclusive exclusive of electoral politics.

Yeah, I think that's right. It's not that electoral politics doesn't matter, but change has to be built outside it and forced in. It's how it's always been. That's how the right got where they are right now. (I know there are tons of differences between the left and right in terms of resources, and left models are necessarily different.)

I have quibbles with the Harris campaign sure, but I don't think any of them matter a whole lot. She ran a remarkably strong campaign for somebody who just popped out of the box in July. Ultimately the economy and "the economy" as a proxy for people's general unhappiness and insecurity was too much, the fundamentals were the fundamentals. And tbh right-wing messaging is better, stronger, more ubiquitous. So many people who voted, where do they even get their information from? Joe Rogan, all that stuff matters.

I don't feel gutpunched like in 2016, because I spent a lot of time thinking about this possibility and had accepted it as an outcome. Dread, yes, I feel that. Things will be bad. But I said a week or so ago that if he wins, we just have to say that that's what America wants right now. It's on the Democrats, for sure, they have been flailing for years. But it's on us, it's on the people who voted.

Eight years ago I had to get up on a few hours sleep and attend my girlfriend's PhD graduation, which was a weird experience but not a bad way to spend a horrible day. This time I just have to... go into work and plod through Scottish autumn weather, which kind of feels more appropriate.

A lot of love to everyone on here, particularly the Americans.

White women really didn’t care about Dobbs huh? White supremacy is a hell of a drug.

― gyac, Tuesday, November 5, 2024 11:55 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

harris lost ground across the board. across the board

I’m aware of that but I’m saying I expected that (Dobbs) to matter.

not sure what white women have to do with that then. focus your blame on the party and the candidate

there is evidence that dobbs did indeed motivate voters, just not enough to get behind a resoundingly unpopular candidate

https:/twitter.com/pushbidenleft/status/1854021301481906460?s=46

White women voted for a rapist who took away their reproductive rights, I am not putting that on the candidate despite the many other failures of her campaign - they knew what they were voting for and they didn’t care. At some point, the root causes have to be examined. You can have a problem with me saying that, I don’t really care at all.

Anyway it’s all fucked and horrific. I feel for ilxors.

focusing on any single demographic group given these results is a coping mechanism. the results are a widescale repudiation of the democratic party unlike anything we’ve seen in several generations

Roughly *67%* of voters rated the economy as "not so good/poor," per Washington Post exit polls

A shockingly poor number amid a hot labor market, booming stocks, much lower inflation, growing GDP

But widespread voter dissatisfaction w/ the economy been clear for years

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) November 6, 2024

Entirely possible no Democrat wins against this headwind

jordan otm

I don't feel gutpunched like in 2016, because I spent a lot of time thinking about this possibility and had accepted it as an outcome. Dread, yes, I feel that. Things will be bad. But I said a week or so ago that if he wins, we just have to say that that's what America wants right now. It's on the Democrats, for sure, they have been flailing for years. But it's on us, it's on the people who voted.

This hits me hard. 2016 was indeed traumatic, but I've been processing this outcome and this reality since the first debate in June. It's been a long and slow realization that people are just assholes here by and large, and insanely insecure and stupidly selfish. I feel somewhat numbed to the result in comparison with 2016 (though a bit shocked it's this much of a blowout). I suppose it's better than the scenario where Kamala has the popular vote, and is jobbed out of the victory by states delaying certification past 12/11 and letting the house steal it. This is a pure referendum on hate, selfishness and sexism, and this country is all in on it.

Not sure where the Democratic party goes from here on out.

Personally, moving out of the country is very much on the table for me. Very lucky it's even an option. I've been considering it for years, but now we're going to actually put together some game plan. Had an intense conversation with my partner about it, and she's taking it much worse than I am. For her this country was a destination, a place to build a new life. It's a heartbreaking reason to leave it.

We recently saw Cabaret in NYC and boy that felt prescient. Almost too much.

RIP Gaza, RIP Ukraine, RIP Taiwan. A lot of shit is about to change.

I'm also going to fully boycott the NY Times. Fuck that POS company and all the others for normalizing this bullshit.

“Low unemployment” and hot labor market seem like different things to me. The jobs suck, life isn’t affordable with many of them and Democrats spent way too long yelling about how great the economy is in the face of peoples’ actual experience.

A third of the country doesn’t own a single stock. The booming stock market don’t mean shit to us.

Speaking of leaving the country ... and yes, I am very privileged to even think of such a thing:

I'm not so much worried for myself as my kids and their future. As an American parent of two (14 and 11), I can't help but feel like I need to try to do what I can over the next few years to help them be able to live somewhere else permanently when it's time to settle down, get a job, etc.

Or is it not going to matter because this shit's gonna happen everywhere? Or am I just overreacting after a long, stressful day?

The world is fucked, not just the USA.

RIP Gaza, RIP Ukraine, RIP Taiwan. A lot of shit is about to change.

― octobeard, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 08:14 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Will offer a tiny crumb of comfort here and say that China is moving away from invading Taiwan, Xi Jinping is being manoeuvred slowly out of power and the clique who are likely to replace him have much less interest in that.