Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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the medium lobster (at fafblog) definitively destroys the "our hands were tied by local inaction" talkingpoint:

"...one must recognize that there are limits to what powers the federal government should exercise in a crisis. Yes, it is the right and duty of the president to override state drug policy, to determine who can or cannot marry, to indefinitely detain citizens without due process and to torture and kill prisoners as he sees fit, but disaster relief is a matter that should be left to the states. Yes, the images of the drowned, the diseased, and the desperately dying drove much of the country to outrage, but how much more outraged would America have been if FEMA had fed the Superdome refugees without the full oversight and authorization of the State of Louisiana? Had the president sent rescue helicopters to evacuate New Orleans the day the levees burst, he might have saved thousands of lives, but he would also have overstepped his authority - and if there's one thing George W. Bush refuses to countenance, it is abuse of power."

also see fafblog's Do-It-Yourself Emergency Management Guide!

queen's square hammer, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

I liked the guy who said bush isn't to blame because he was ON VACATION

!!!

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

I was thinkng of sending my CV in, as Brown's going to get the boot. I've got a geography A-level, so I'm infinitely better qualified.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

I believe that was a joke, cozen.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

it sure was funny!

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Stence, why the hate-on for Al Gore? I keep hoping the guy's going to announce he'll run for President in '08!

J (Jay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Because Al Gore sucks.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40305

Oh, very witty, Alfred. What incredible insight.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

OK the Daily Show last night was pretty funny, people. It never struck me just how ridiculous Bush's insistance on utilizing the sentence, "We're going to A B, because we're B A'ers!" all of the time until the dude was all, "We're going to EAT ZUCCHINI, because we are ZUCCHINI eaters!"

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Bush, Master of Tautology.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

I have a hard time putting on hate for Al Gore because A) he's the most harmless human being ALIVE besides like maybe Richard Simmons B) he's been pretty quietly doing his own evacuation efforts down there. It took a couple days before the press caught on he was doing it, because he didn't feel it was appropriate to publicize and possibly politicize his efforts, which I think is a pretty alright way to be. Man will never win as president, I mean he's intelligent and eloquent but he is also pretty freaking unexciting and people, well they like their exciting dudes they can "relate" to.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

Like Evan Bayh?

J (Jay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Though I do agree with the fact that the global warming thing is pretty well unnecessary to bring up as a focal point in this discussion and that it's patently untrue that had there been no global warming scenarios ongoing, that a category 4 hurricane would not have occurred, since they have been occurring since pretty much the beginning of recorded history. It's a valid topic of discussion as something to worry about for the future and something to consider and try to fix but it really has very little to do with Hurricane Katrina--like I said, hardly the first cat 4 to come ashore in the world. Had this happened in, say, November, then yeah, that might be a little off the wall crazy but a big hurricane in the US south at the end of the summer? Say it ain't so, etc.

xpost no, like Harding

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Ah, well then . . .

J (Jay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Let's be honest here, I mean I'm at the point where I'd take ANYONE as president because I mean even President Vince Vaughn seems like a better idea than our current situation.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

this guy?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

was he in the axis of evil?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

It's pretty clear that the Founders intended the Chief Executive to be a colorless individual (with the exception, naturally, of the first four presidents, who were, ahem, Founders). There's reasons why historians only consider a handful of presidents to be great and consign the rest to Benjamin Harrison-style oblivion.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Intentions of the founding fathers are really not what people are going to the voting booth about these days, now are they?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

I mean let's be honest here, if people gave two shits about the Constitution we wouldn't have GWB in the Oval Office.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

I dunno about that anti-music guy though, that's a little weird.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

I vote to give this man emergency powers:

http://thousandrobots.com/blog/files/palpatine_02.jpg

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

I think Congress already did that.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

meanwhile, time for political cartoons from the Guardian:

here and here

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

A) he's the most harmless human being ALIVE besides like maybe Richard Simmons

Did you see this fuck on "Larry King Live"? Jimmy Kimmel ran excerpts of it last night. While footage of a man chest-deep in water ran, Simmons was saying that New Orleans could be "The Venice, Italy of the World!" A.) It's probably rather short-sighted to be calling New Orleans that right now as well as being a little tasteless and B.) as Kimmel already pointed out, isn't Venice, Italy already "The Venice, Italy of the World"?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha what the hell? No, it was just a random name I pulled out of my hat, I had no idea he was going around saying such asinine nonsense.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

why is michael jackson in bush's rowboat?

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

At a news conference, Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's choice for head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency had "absolutely no credentials."

She related that she had urged Bush at the White House on Tuesday to fire Michael Brown.

"He said 'Why would I do that?'" Pelosi said.

"'I said because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right last week.' And he said 'What didn't go right?'"

He inspires confidence, our president.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

The Venice, Italy of the World!"
"The city of Italy is under water."

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Simmons also said that the people of New Orleans appreciate all of the help so much, that when this is all over, Simmons would make sure that there would be a monument built in Larry King's name.

I shit you not. The clip could've been played out of context, but I saw what I saw.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Did he give Larry a tearful hug at the finish?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Ally, do you have a link about Gore's efforts? That's interesting.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

wasn't richard simmons born in new orleans?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Cas, scan upwards to that dailykos link i posted.

also, dig this shit: FEMA is now fucking with people moving out to the different ememgency centers. Ed Schultz is on the air screaming about this. "These are not detainees, these are americans!"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I like to think he's playing "No Woman, No Cry".
http://guav.com/lj/09.05/BushSings.jpg

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I have lately been thinking it must have been "Ooh Poo Pah Do."

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Photoshopping just seems superfluous.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

I think "Blame It On The Rain" would be Bush's tune of choice.

xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Andrew Sullivan just posted this:

An alert emailer writes the following:
"Plain and simple: President Bush signed Gov. Blanco's request to declare a state of emergency in Louisiana on 8/27. Within the text of that declaration the Gov. declares:
Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.
The Stafford Act is the legal stipulator in that declaration. Under The Stafford Act:
§ 5170a. GENERAL FEDERAL ASSISTANCE {Sec. 402}

In any major disaster, the President may--

# direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities and the resources granted to it under Federal law (including personnel, equipment, supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical, and advisory services) in support of State and local assistance efforts.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

On Monday, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff placed the Coast Guard's chief of staff, Vice Admiral Thad W. Allen, in charge of the New Orleans relief effort, clearly a move to beef up management where the problems have been most severe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/national/nationalspecial/07brown.html

I read that rather as a sign that they're admitting that Brown can't handle NO on his own. There's an article in the Washington Post that goes into it a little more here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005090601677.html

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, and you guys have heard about the federal clampdown on newsmedia photos of floating bodies, right?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

2:16 P.M. - FEMA Director Mike Brown: Asked if he’d submitted a letter of resignation, or planned to do so: 'I serve totally at the will of the President. We have the ability to process anywhere from 500 up to 1,000 bodies per day if need be. We will treat those bodies with the respect they deserve and work to get in touch with the deceased person’s family.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

lurking in the background of all this is a story about how the Republicans are going to try to push "private accounts" thru in a procedural vote, since they know Democrats won't vote for it...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Al Gore:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_72002.asp

This is the only article I can find referencing it though. Photos of him doing relief work have surfaced on a handful of blogs though I can't remember which now. :( I also saw a brief clip of him in reference to this on local (DC) news.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Here's a couple of AlGore stories:


>From the Knoxville News Sentinel
(link:http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_4054083,00.html)

Gore accompanies about 140 arrivals from New Orleans but declines to take
credit

By ROBERT WILSON

They saw nature's unmatched fury up close.

Now they would see unbridled human compassion.

About 140 people - mostly elderly and infirm - arrived Saturday at McGhee
Tyson Airport on a chartered mercy flight from hurricane-ravaged New
Orleans, welcomed to East Tennessee by a bright sun and a host of medical
professionals straining at the reins to help their fellow human beings
without regard to whether they were on the clock.

The displaced hurricane victims came to Tennessee on a hastily arranged
flight, accompanied by doctors and carrying whatever they had in boxes,
bags or, in one case, an old suitcase tied up with rope.

Former Vice President Al Gore arranged the flight and was on board, but he
declined to take credit for the airlift, fearing it would be
"politicized."

The patients and evacuees arrived aboard an American Airlines MD-80 about
3:15 p.m. The unloading process took almost two hours, as some walked
hesitantly down a staircase beneath the rear of the aircraft. Others were
rolled down a ramp from the front of the plane to waiting wheelchairs.
Personnel from Rural/Metro and the Tennessee Air National Guard
volunteered their services, as did others, to get the patients and
evacuees loaded onto buses or ambulances for the ride to area hospitals to
be assessed medically before going to a Red Cross shelter.

On hand to help with the operation were Knox County Mayor Mike Ragsdale
and his wife, Claudia, still decked out in orange from having attended the
University of Tennessee football game against Alabama-Birmingham. The
county's first couple assisted medical staff in shuttling patients from
the ramp to buses.

One of the doctors on board the flight was Dr. Anderson Spickard of
Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, who said he had a
"personal and professional" relationship with Gore.

Spickard said Gore called him about 11 p.m. Friday to ask him to
participate in the flight.

"The jet was chartered," he said. "It was a private effort."

Gore chartered the plane, but, Spickard said, "we'll decide who pays for
it later."

The doctor said the patients on the plane traveled well and added that he
was "pleased" with Knoxville and Knox County's response to the call for
help.

The patients, he said, "didn't know what kindness" they would receive here.

Spickard said the plane would leave McGhee Tyson Saturday evening for
Dallas, where he would spend the night before making another mercy flight,
possibly to Chattanooga, Nashville or Chicago.

The plan had been to make two flights Saturday, Spickard said, but delays
in getting to Knoxville meant that the plane could not get back to New
Orleans before dark. And there are no landing lights at New Orleans
International Airport.

Mayor Ragsdale said he was touched by some of the heart-wrenching stories
the people told him as they disembarked from the plane.

One, he said, was a man of 80-plus years who described being on his roof
for three days before being rescued. Another was in an attic that almost
filled with water. A third was a man who got off the plane barefooted and
with obvious skin trauma to his lower legs, who told the mayor of having
to stand in water for 2-3 days.

"Some folks are mentally exhausted," he said. And, the mayor said, he has
been notified that the Knoxville area can expect as many as 1,500 more
evacuees in coming days.

Ragsdale said a meeting was held Friday afternoon - before the mercy
flight was announced - that included representatives of his staff and
Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam's, all area hospitals, Knoxville's Community
Development Corporation, Child and Family Services, the Red Cross, the
Salvation Army and the Knox County Health Department to come up with a
plan to mobilize in case of such an emergency.

"We didn't know this would happen," Ragsdale said. "It is fortunate we had
the meeting."

He called Saturday "a very successful day."

Gore chose not to speak to the assembled media, but he was seen in a black
T-shirt and jeans moving rapidly from one side of the plane to the other
assisting with the off-loading operation.

Forty people aboard the plane were uninjured evacuees, mostly family
members of the elderly patients. Two or three children and a dog also were
on board.

Participating in the operation were the Knoxville Fire Department, the
Blount County Rescue Squad and the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency.
Cruisers from the Tennessee Highway Patrol escorted the buses to
hospitals.

Additional medical personnel within the regional emergency system also
were on standby.

Units at the airports included at least 10 ambulances, a phalanx of buses,
fire trucks and other equipment.

All those aboard the mercy flight were taken to hospitals for evaluation,
including the University of Tennessee Medical Center, St. Mary's, Fort
Sanders Regional Medical Center, Parkwest, the Baptist Health System,
Methodist Medical Center of Oak Ridge, Blount Memorial Hospital, Jefferson
Memorial Hospital, Fort Sanders Loudon and Children's Hospital of East
Tennessee.

Air National Guard personnel donated their time to help move patients and
others to buses and provide liquids, said Capt. Lisa Godsey, public
information officer for McGhee Tyson Air National Guard Base. Also
coordinating the event was Rebecca Huckaby, public information officer for
the airport.

The crew for the plane was made up of volunteers led by Capt. E.W. Evans.

Mayor Ragsdale said the effort "could not have had better cooperation" and
that the response was "heart-warming."


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Gore in New Orleans to aid Katrina victims
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>From GNN
(link:http://www.algore-08.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=272&Itemid=81)

Updated: CNN reports that Al Gore has landed a plane in New Orleans, and
will fly approximately 100 of the most critically ill to hospitals in
Tennessee.

According to Alexis Simendinger of the National Journal, Gore organized
the relief flights earlier this week, but was delayed for several days
trying to get clearance from FEMA, which required a Federal Department to
request special numbers for each patient transported by private
conveyance. The flight consisted of two American Airlines planes, paid for
by Gore himself.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Thanks! google news didn't have those (at least when I looked)! I was getting a bit worried that maybe I made it up til I found that tiny blurb.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

not political or anything but channel 4 showed the simpsons episode with the streetcar musical and the song about new orleans being stinky and full of whores, today

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

y'know, i wondered how long it'd be before that ep was re-aired

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

I've been singing "New Or-lee-ans!" in my mind quite a bit for the past week.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

for don weiner et al re state and local culpability

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

truman, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)


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