U.S. Politics, November 2024: GARBAGE DAY!!

here's a longer clip

What is happening pic.twitter.com/YPM8eMuIaL

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 2, 2024

from what I can see he spent a large portion of the rally whining about the mic, talking about how much he wanted to beat up the sound guys and how he was gonna stiff them on the bill. you know, really firing up the working class. once again you could clearly see people leaving about half way through.

we watched Kamala's rally in West Allis and it was really good actually, crowd on their feet the whole time, cheering every 15 seconds or so, she came off real charismatic and confident, maybe not quite at Obama levels but she's definitely better at this than Hillary or Biden were

i dont think i can ever remember such a stark contrast like this, in 2016 Trump's rallies at least had some enthusiasm and more measured insanity about them, people were so fired up at those that they were beating up protestors in the stands, now he can't even get people to stay the whole time, if this turns out to be the winning campaign I'm going to check myself into the mental hospital and introduce myself to the millions of crazy folks that are getting sent to us from every other country in the world

from that atlantic article theres a vance sidekick who the campaign higher ups hate a lot

One staffer in particular—a young activist named Alex Bruesewitz—helped convince Vance and his team that this was an opportunity to put his stamp on the campaign. Vance agreed. “Reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn’t be in this country,” the senator posted on X, catching the Trump campaign’s leaders entirely off guard.

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In truth, some of Trump’s senior staff hadn’t actually watched Hinchcliffe’s set. The Garden was a labyrinth of security checkpoints and political processions, and the event had barely been under way when he spoke. Now they were racing to catch up with the damage—and rewinding the clock to figure out how Hinchcliffe had ended up onstage in the first place.

It didn’t take long to get to the answer: Alex Bruesewitz.

We will have an answer next week, but Vance sure seems like one of the all time worst VP picks, sub Sarah Palin perhaps.

A hopey thread about Ga. voting

Georgia's early voting has ended, and from an analytical standpoint, every metric I'd want to see for a Harris victory is present.

Let's break down why. 🍑

— Data&Politics | Blue Georgia 🏳️‍🌈 (@dataandpolitics) November 2, 2024

def an interesting thing that they picked him cause hes young and wired in with the new wave of gop insiders but did not consider that the whole crew is repulsive psycho freaks xp

PredictIt flipped to Kamala over the last 24 hours

the Atlantic article is great, all those people love telling the media everything

we love to see the backstabbing starting early lol

The thing with Vance is he’s such a beta toady if Trump dies in office I don’t see the party rallying around him at all

Medhi Hasan has been taking on questions like the ones milo raises above. Medhi laid it out with Tim Miller yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJIzIlW4Lk

It's disingenuous to pretend the election is happening in a vacuum. It would be very different if it were a referendum. If you accept pure math and look at the evidence and the choices, Trump cannot be the next president.

He says to people in Texas specifically, think about how to get rid of Ted Cruz.

He also breaks down some of the weird ads in Michigan - how the one focused on Doug Emoff is misogyny wrapped in Islamophobia wrapped in antisemitism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcaG6wGmqDs

“from what I can see he spent a large portion of the rally whining about the mic, talking about how much he wanted to beat up the sound guys and how he was gonna stiff them on the bill. you know, really firing up the working class. once again you could clearly see people leaving about half way through.”

What’s the over / under on direct and unmistakeable ethnic slurs live onstage between now and Tuesday?

Maybe he’ll bring a bag of garbage onstage and throw trash out to exuberant attendees

Or maybe he’ll stop the rally to dance along to “Dirty Work”

i agree vance is a terrible vp pick but i also feel like he will be the next republican presidential nominee. more likely if trump wins but even if not his odds are still good imo. just a hunch but i think he’s gonna get the lions share of trump’s primary voters while at the same time being palpable enough to what remains of the non-trump establishment republicans

i think if trump goes away nikki haley is totally going up against kamala in 4 years.

more likely if trump wins but even if not his odds are still good imo. just a hunch but i think he’s gonna get the lions share of trump’s primary voters

If Trump loses? I think this is true only if Trump is alive and strongly supports him. But more likely is that if Trump loses he talks shit about how Vance failed him and lost him the election and is a loser weirdo. I don't think Trump's voters have any residual affection for the people who suck up to Trump. Trump has contempt for those people and ditches them the moment they're no longer useful and his voters understand and conform to that.

i dont think vance has the stuff to win a primary

also i think trump will run again if he loses and is still alive

hopefully hell be incarcerated at the time tho

Vance is the broligarch’s choice now and in the future.

I don’t think he will know who he is as the next primary season arrives

Trump specifically

I think if Trump loses Vance doesn't even run for reelection and goes back to being a rich tech-bro/venture capital dude with a right-wing think tank position of some kind and lucrative hustle as a speaker at conservative confabs. That guy does not feel like an elected politician lifer to me.

The biggest mark against Vance is all the dumb shit he's obviously going to say and do between now and 2028.

I don’t think he will know who he is as the next primary season arrives

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, November 2, 2024 1:07 PM (eighteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah he could be too far gone to run but who knows where that line is hes just gotta be well enough to go on tv and say hes running, def a good chance if he runs that the campaign is doa tho

My guess would be that Haley has very little future in the Republican party at a national level--that the best she could do is what Romney does now.

Xp But can they make the R base like him? They were originally all in on DeSantis

To Suzy

if trump loses the gop is def in an interesting spot theyre not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle but at the same time all the wannabe trumps have so far turned out to be total stiff losers

I think the GOP's permanently in what suzy calls a broligarchy and Haley has no future.

also i think trump will run again if he loses and is still alive

― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 November 2024 1:04 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

man i hope not

if trump loses the gop is def in an interesting spot theyre not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle but at the same time all the wannabe trumps have so far turned out to be total stiff losers

If Donald Trump loses (and I very much think he is going to) he will have lost two presidential elections in a row and cost his party the House, the Senate, and numerous other elections across the country. He, himself, is a loser and electoral poison. The fact that he fell backwards into an electoral college victory one time eight years ago has so thoroughly brainwashed people that it's fucking amazing.

yeah its for sure something

An interesting comment from Bluesky (don't know who the poster is):

We are going to look back at Trump 2024 and realize we were scared of something that was falling apart on its own the entire time, just like we did with the Soviet Union 30 years ago.

if trump loses the gop is def in an interesting spot theyre not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle but at the same time all the wannabe trumps have so far turned out to be total stiff losers

― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 November 2024 1:13 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think trump would still have kingmaker power and if he cared could basically ordain the next nominee. but it’s not clear at all that he will care if he’s not running himself, might just trash everybody

If Donald Trump loses (and I very much think he is going to) he will have lost two presidential elections in a row and cost his party the House, the Senate, and numerous other elections across the country. He, himself, is a loser and electoral poison. The fact that he fell backwards into an electoral college victory one time eight years ago has so thoroughly brainwashed people that it's fucking amazing.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 2 November 2024 1:19 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. problem is he’s very popular among republican primary voters

he's not gonna ordain anybody it's all about him all the time

the fact that the GOP went back to him after losing 2020 and then Jan 6 and also getting their asses kicked in 2022 with the Trumpy candidates in particular doing poorly could be an indication that they just really love fascism that much but it could also mean the party just has no ideas, I mean they haven't really done shit since taking the House, they've been one of the least productive Congresses in history

I can see Haley being the next frontrunner. I really do not think it'll be Vance. most likely it'll be some ghoul we aren't really talking about yet.

Yeah I mean we've said this a bunch of times but there is no other Trump. The most important thing about him is that he arrived as already a huge celebrity, he was famous and that got a lot of people excited who don't get excited by politicians. His whole rude/crude shock-jock racist shtick would not have worked as well if he weren't already a star. You can't replicate that, even though obviously people will try.

everything's coming up Vivek!

its high time for a big hair president

otm. problem is he’s very popular among republican primary voters

Seems to me like that's a problem for Republican primary voters, who can't get it together to field a winning candidate. It's a gift to everyone else.

(Assuming he loses on Tuesday. Which I think he will.)

most likely it'll be some ghoul we aren't really talking about yet
The most important thing about him is that he arrived as already a huge celebrity

There's always the possibility of an existing celeb making a left (right?) turn into politics, US posters please tell me who that might be

will say re trump being a loser that he almost beat biden once and very likely would have this time were it not for bidens very bad debate

Reminded of the I Think You Should Leave Now skit in which Tim Robinson’s character does a stupid thing at a party which turns out to be a big hit with a group of losers, who keep trying among themselves to do “another thing”, all while looking at Tim for his approval.

will say re trump being a loser that he almost beat biden once and very likely would have this time were it not for bidens very bad debate

― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 November 2024 1:40 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if not for the pandemic he would’ve crushed biden in 2020. fumbling the pandemic as bad as he did (and not being able to take credit for the good stuff he did do like operation warp speed due to his supporters being anti-vaxxers) is totally on him tho so that’s a point for the loser side

This isn't even a short decontextualized snippet, it's nearly 2 minutes. At just a base level of making a job hire, it's so crazy that so many people are voting for this.

Trump appears to be unraveling live on stage

“When I say insane asylums, and then I say, Doctor Hannibal Lecter, does anybody know? They go crazy. They say, oh, he brings up these names out of— Well, that's genius. Right. Doctor Hannibal Lecter. There's nobody worse than him.… pic.twitter.com/Yyi4MuhR3N

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) November 2, 2024

He's right about Hannibal Lecter though

Reading this, I can feel my brain melting into goo.

“I do the weave.” Now I’ve got Tim Curry on the brain.