U.S. Politics, November 2024: GARBAGE DAY!!

Biden like a trash dog eating chicken bones out the dumpster

I’m sorry, but I just burst out laughing at that

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― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings)

He’s still got it

My family had a little black cat who was the sweetest thing ever 99.9% of the time but once dug a turkey carcass out of what we thought was a well-secured trash bin and when we tried to take it away from her, found her inner sabretoothed tiger.

props to table and jaymc, I got stuck at the first line last thread

the Cheney thing is insane but i actually think he is sincerely trying to do a "if this war-hawk found herself in a warzone" bit. still horrifyingly direct, and eye-popping from a rich-kid draft-dodger, and of course still likely to inspire his heavily armed, insane and conspiratorial supporters to attempt murder of a political rival. but for once the latter seems almost incidental out of sheer negligence.

I agree with you. On the other hand he can go fuck himself.

Are we still really at a point where Trump deserves generosity of interpretation? I don't think so.

'All hell has broken loose': Inside Elon Musk's high-stakes pro-Trump door-knocking effort

Nine Republican operatives and canvassers connected to the Elon Musk-backed America PAC told NBC News that they’re worried the high-profile grassroots operation on behalf of Donald Trump’s presidential bid may hamper his chances in states decided by slim margins.

America PAC has been tasked with much of the pro-Trump canvassing operation as his campaign focuses its efforts on a more limited effort targeting so-called low-propensity voters. In turn, the Musk-backed organization is going door to door in all of the major swing states to help turn out Trump supporters and have them fill out surveys about their voting intentions.

But the people who spoke to NBC News, many of whom have years of experience in GOP field operations, said the operation may not be the well-oiled machine many in the party might hope it is, especially considering how much money is behind the effort.

In particular, they raised concerns about canvassers’ submitting an inordinate amount of suspect data. That data, some of which NBC News has reviewed, includes entries submitted far from the home or while canvassers are logged into Wi-Fi networks — telltale signs that a door was not knocked on, sources said. In addition, a video explaining how to “spoof” one’s location while submitting data drew attention in Nevada and Arizona, raising further concerns.

“I know it’s been flagged for America PAC that this has been transpiring,” an operative formerly on the effort said.

As some of that data spilled into public view last month, an operative close to the effort said: “All hell has broken loose” inside the PAC.

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Door-to-door canvassing, a major component of what is known as the “ground game,” can make a difference in elections that are determined by 1 percentage point or less. With this election shaping up as one in which many and potentially all of the seven major swing states could be decided by that tight margin, the Musk-backed effort could be at the front of the line for plaudits should he win — or topping the list of reasons he lost.

Those who spoke with NBC News ranged from on-the-ground canvassers to mid-level managers to senior operatives close to the PAC. They were granted anonymity to offer candid assessments and provide information without imperiling their professional prospects.

“There are enough bodies on the ground that there could still be, I think, a modicum of success,” the operative close to the effort said. “Maybe not quite the resounding success that Elon Musk was hoping he was investing in, but I do think that you can do a lot over” the final sprint.

That's a long piece but a fun read. Hire scammers, get scammed!

"the president of the united states once tried to take a bite out of my leg"

that baby now has an interesting fact to use in icebreakers and 2 truths and a lie for the rest of their life

The baby was really giddy!

biden giving that child an unbeatable "two truths and a lie" answer for the rest of their life https://t.co/uwLVr0YjhN

— icky! (@ickyburd) October 31, 2024

Great minds?

not even trying to be generous, that's just how it first landed to my ears. of course I am also a notorious Wiggum truther so ymmv. Alfred otm, to be clear.

they hired the people who used AllAdvantage in the early 2000s and installed their own app to move the mouse every 15 minutes so it looked like they were actively browsing.

xxxposts

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_key

used to love the horrible fake reports that would pop up on Pete Rose Baseball when you used the boss key, designed by someone who had never worked in an office before

not even trying to be generous, that's just how it first landed to my ears. of course I am also a notorious Wiggum truther so ymmv. Alfred otm, to be clear.

― the last visible dot (Doctor Casino), Friday, November 1, 2024 10:54 AM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

how come they never ask the candidates about viking sleep, that would help me an undecided voter

Getting shot at by a supporter really broke whatever there was left of his brain.

― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, November 1, 2024 8:49 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kamala trolling him about his rallies during the debate really feels like the inflection point to me

the Cheney thing is insane but i actually think he is sincerely trying to do a "if this war-hawk found herself in a warzone" bit. still horrifyingly direct, and eye-popping from a rich-kid draft-dodger, and of course still likely to inspire his heavily armed, insane and conspiratorial supporters to attempt murder of a political rival. but for once the latter seems almost incidental out of sheer negligence.

― the last visible dot (Doctor Casino), Friday, November 1, 2024 9:35 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think you're right but this is the guy who has very recently fantasized about using the military against his political enemies and while in office deployed the National Guard to rough up protestors and also took FEMA money to build migrant camps and deliberately tried to get Americans in blue states killed from Covid, never in American history has anyone ever deserved the benefit of the doubt less

what if there's a piece of shrapnel that made it into his head undetected and if he just turns his head a certain way in the next 4 days, he's a turnip

never in American history has anyone ever deserved the benefit of the doubt less

This is too rich to digest, considering you've given DJT the benefit of the doubt exactly the way Doctor Casino did many, many times over the years.

re: benefit of the doubt

I swear to God the final Wall Street Journal editorial making case for Trump includes this line.

“Mr Trump was too undisciplined, and his attention span too short, to stay on message much less stage a coup.”

Too erratic to coup! Trump 2024!

— Tim Miller (@Timodc) November 1, 2024

I like your stories, I love your gun
Shooting out truck tires sounds like loads and loads of fun
But in my room, wish you were dead
You bawl like the baby in Eraserhead

I'm too erratic to coup, I'm too erratic to coup

that WSJ editorial is truly unhinged but also a good lesson for all of us to keep in mind: for every seething, divorced MAGA-hat-in-a-diner, there's also some chode reading the WSJ, performing respectability with an oily grin, perfectly willing to fling burning shit into his neighbor's backyard, only to respond walter sobchak-style when confronted, "i'm calmer 'n you are."

Ah, but what about the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021? Mr. Trump’s attempt to overturn the election was appalling, and for many Americans is disqualifying for a second term. We thought he shouldn’t win the nomination again.

But Democrats helped to revive his fortunes with their unprecedented prosecutions and other excesses. Democrats made Trump II possible as much as GOP primary voters. If Mr. Trump wins, it will be a comeback for the ages, and testament to his resilience and ability to speak for Americans who feel unrepresented.

checkmate, liberals!

(thinks through logic) hmm, so if we let him get away with everything he will lose and Americans will lose interest?

Imagine writing this, publishing this, and having to live with yourself and as a person in a society.

I wish the "he did a coup/is a felon/is clearly insane" argument was more compelling for the American voter, but tbh I think the Harris campaign is making the right call by fighting him to a draw on the economy in the minds of swing voters (which seems to have worked per polling), and then hammering him on abortion.

I love how they always portray Democrats simultaneously as this disorganized, incompetent group of stuttering boobs while at the same time portraying them as an effective hivemind that successfully rigs elections and arrests political opponents

We don't like Trump's crimes but we REALLY don't like him not getting away with his crimes

Neil Finn, the nation turns its lonely eyes to you:

It’s hard to not be drawn in to the American Election... I do find it baffling that many Latinos would give their vote to Trump when he is talking about roundups of illegals. That means dawn raids, suspicion and intense scrutiny of all Latinos. NZ had a period where the police set about looking for overstayers from the Pacific Islands. They mounted dawn raids into households to search for these overstayers. It caused a huge amount of misery and resentment amongst the whole community and was abandoned and now condemned as a sad chapter in NZ history. I wish someone could pass on the sum of that experience to those who face the same potential in the U.S.

there was one really horrible Korean comedian on Last Comic Standing once, a Carlos Mencia type that basically played into stereotypes and made jokes that racist White people would like, and she basically said she was against immigration and when people asked how she could be because of her ethnicity, she always said "well...I'm already here!".

feel like that's the heart of it.

we all have a basic drive towards self-interest, and it doesn't take a huge amount of messaging that it's ok or even good to give into those instincts at the expense of what our more evolved but also instinctive sense of morality and human compassion and solidarity might guide us to do. it's classic angel on one shoulder, devil on the other shit. and this is the result of decades of that messaging that the first instinct is equally or more valid as the second, coming from what is presented in our society as a credible source, if not explicitly the voice of the angel

Anecdata via a text from my mom, who lives in Lebanon, NJ:

Went out to the library for early voting. Parking lot was jammed. Line took about 20 minutes. A couple behind he had their just turned 18 son with them. He was cheered by the crowd. The family was going out to lunch to celebrate.

Another 70 degree day.

Politico: Why the Polls Might Be Wrong - In Kamala Harris' Favor

For eight years, pollsters have been striving to accurately capture former President Donald Trump’s level of support among voters. Even today, on the eve of his third campaign for the presidency, there’s no confidence they’ve nailed it. It raises a question that not enough people are asking: If it’s taken that long to adjust for Trump, is 100 days enough to accurately poll potential Vice President Kamala Harris voters?

It’s not just an academic question. There’s reason to believe that, just as proved to be the case with Trump, there is a fuller range of Harris voters who aren’t being measured.

In this election cycle, pollsters have made a clear effort to explore various methodologies that enable a deeper dive into Trump’s areas of support that were previously underrepresented in past polling. But when asked about the challenge of tracking an abbreviated Harris campaign in the wake of an historic candidate swap, some pollsters believed that the polling transition from Biden to Harris would be “relatively seamless.”

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While Trump voters have found their voice and the polls have adapted to better hear them, the same cannot be said for many “forgotten” Harris voters that polls are ill-equipped to capture. These voters are not necessarily “shy” with their support for Harris, instead they are overlooked by current polling methods. One such group is a subset of Republicans who increasingly feel politically homeless within their own party: Nikki Haley voters.

A national survey of Nikki Haley’s primary voters conducted in early October by the Democratic polling firm Blueprint has charted this group’s slow but significant shift away from supporting Trump and their increasing willingness to support Democratic presidential candidates over time. (Notably, this survey excludes registered Democrats who voted for Nikki Haley in primaries to ensure the results truly reflect Republican-leaning voter sentiments.) The survey showed that while 66 percent of Haley primary voters supported Trump in 2016, that number dropped to 59 percent in 2020 and is expected to drop even further to 45 percent in this year’s election. Meanwhile, their support for the Democratic presidential nominee has nearly tripled from only 13 percent supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016 to 36 percent indicating an intent to vote for Kamala Harris.

Basically, the piece seems to be arguing that to assume for polling purposes that all Harris supporters are Democrats could be a serious fuckup.

This is too rich to digest, considering you've given DJT the benefit of the doubt exactly the way Doctor Casino did many, many times over the years.

― WmC, Friday, November 1, 2024 10:17 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, what exactly are you referring to here?

I don't have the energy to find examples, so I'll withdraw the comment.

The latest TrueAnon podcast has the hosts recount their visit to the MSG America First rally, where just the low-effort, batshit, confidently ignorant pose from the punters in line that exhausted Brace so much he drop his usual ironic style just to lambast them.

https://m.soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/the-player-haters-ball

Far more boos from the audience as the night wore on as the number of idiotic grifter freaks that Don Jr or Eric Trump probably got on the bill kept being introduced as speakers.

I just clicked that link and HOLY FUCK. How does anyone listen to TWO SOLID HOURS of three solipsistic assholes jabbering like that? After five minutes I wanted to do things to them that would make Art the Clown avert his eyes.

lets check in on Newsmax

Newsmax host Rob Schmitt: "Do you know what a furry is? Did you see that episode of Entourage years ago? If not, Google it because the president might be one."https://t.co/X7JzsrCWlD

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) November 1, 2024

It’s a good podcast imo

uh xp though I also listen religiously to every newsmax podcast

This is pretty funny; tier-2 right-wing hack Hugh Hewitt flipped out during a Washington Post live chat and stormed off the set after host Jonathan Capehart pointed out that he is, in fact, a lying right-wing hack who will say fucking anything if it benefits Trump and/or the Republican Party.

my god it's insane how much AP is in the tank for Trump

https://i.imgur.com/aqoFbmU.png

I had a video on my TikTok FYP giving tips on spoofing the canvassing and door knocking app used by the Elon Musk PAC. The video presented this as a life hack to make some extra money rather than a protest.

How does anyone listen to TWO SOLID HOURS of three solipsistic assholes jabbering like that?

Nice to see when a podcast can elicit a response, tho “solipsistic” is pretty far from an accurate descriptor of them.

would like to take a minute to salute the great patriots getting paid to enter fake door knocks into trumps gotv app

that also makes the same point about the pandemic stimulus expiring leading to incomes going backwards, but yes, the broad point i wanted to get across was that biden's most left-wing domestic agenda ever doesn't mean anything if a lot of people still end up going backwards, and it was even more foolish for the dems to convince themselves that actually everything was great.

but it’s a discursive sleight of hand to try argue ex post that they should’ve been permanent all along, and to point to that as a failure because they expired during the subsequent democratic president’s term.

i don't really see it as biden's fault in particular (other than he likely should have tried to push manchin more but i really don't know how possible that would have been) but it is something he was going to get the blame for regardless (a major flaw of the us system is how the president will get blamed for congress's failures) because most voters are not going to draw that sort of distinction (and the ones who are are already voting dem) and the dems had no real answer to that, their message was that biden's economy was great!

We have more theories and tools to understand things at a number of levels than ever (than just the broad political, which is the only level I am ever interested in), with more people educated to read, comprehend, and make policy on that stuff.

And yet Donald Trump still wins the presidency. Twice.

heads up y'all: Garbage Day is finally over. the Garbage Years have begun again.

The Hunter Biden pardon _and_ the consultants on Twitter justifying the pardon are a perfect illustration of the current state of the Democratic Party.

I'm confused. Id think the consultants would be horrified.

Hunter: Totally legal and totally cool

i'm curious how many people are prosecuted a year for not admitting you're an addict on the application for a hand gun

the important part is that Biden co-authored the Crime
Bill that had allowed non-violent drug users to suffer in the PIC for decades, in some cases. yet his special little boy gets a pardon. imho, Biden should pardon them all, or accept that his special little boy will have to spend some time in the very system that he has supported for his entire life.

Biden should pardon them all

otm

or accept that his special little boy will have to spend some time in the very system that he has supported for his entire life.

On the a very special episode of the West Wing President Bartlett decides that his daughter must die to save him from hypocrisy

"Without aggravating factors like use in a crime, multiple purchases, or buying a weapon as a straw purchaser, people are almost never brought to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled out a gun form. Those who were late paying their taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently with interest and penalties, are typically given non-criminal resolutions. It is clear that Hunter was treated differently."

'good evening. tonight on Spot the Difference, we interview two us men: one was brought to trial on felony charges solely for how he filled out his gun form, and the other was charged criminally for tax evasion in the face of his serious addictions, despite having paid what was owed with interest. we believe we can SPOT THE DIFFERENCE-- can you?'
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/1ece/live/74f2e7b0-b090-11ef-93a6-9fd2d3586a96.jpg.webp

Hunter looks more addled than his dad there.

Keyes, I know you jest, but perhaps demanding more integrity from our elected leaders is a good thing, not something to make fun of— call me crazy.

my conservative dad was having like a minor internal meltdown at the hunter news last night, i could tell. therefore it’s good

yeah this is one of those news items that is going to make most people shrug but completely enrage the Fox News audience

as sharing is caring, enragement is engagement

non of the fulminating against this pardon from republicans will make a whit of difference when it comes time for trump to pardon literally everyone he knows including himself, but the feelings that wash over us all when it happens will be quite something

He pardoned the father-in-law whom he just nominated to serve as ambassador to France.

If only Charlie Guiteau could come back to life to fight him for it

"Biden is a hypocrite"/"free all the prisoners"/"the ruling class operates under different rules from its subjects" are not incompatible thoughts w/ "lol he pardoned his crackhead boy" IMO

I find it really hard to care about this, yeah it's an abuse of power but so was investigating him like this in the first place. I mean he's got to be the only person in American history to have his hog shots displayed during a Congressional hearing. for sure he's a scumbag but the President-elect right now is a criminal rapist who is appointing a nonstop parade of sexpests to his Cabinet, if anything this is kinda helpful for telling you which so-called "centrist" pundits are not worth listening to at all anymore

One of the rare cases where the famous person gets convicted and sentenced in a way a regular person wouldn't. Drug addicts don’t get charged with lying about gun-purchasing forms about their addictions, I don't think.

Right now we have a rapey felon on his way back to power, someone who egregiously pardoned dozens of criminal cronies, and another world leader defying the ICJ on genocide with the help of other world leaders who have pledged not to detain him if he visits their countries. At some point American leaders decided not to hold one another to account for criminality and insurrection, and those most invested in getting out of jail free are the ones hollering loudest about this pardon.

Funny, that…

Will someone please step up and start a December thread before I am forced to think of a cute thread title everyone hates?

November Spawned a Monster

i been reading about garage day for a month and yet have managed to avoid cleaning the fucking garage. frisson, so real

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