U.S. Politics, October 2024 -- “They smear because they fear”

Probably why Vance tried that dumb pivot to talking about social media censorship

with apologies to mookie for posting a poll, but this might actually be something

New NEBRASKA SENATE poll:

🔴 Sen. Deb Fischer* — 42 percent
🟡 Dan Osborn — 47 percent

Undecided — 10 percent

Voter registration breakdown — GOP (49%); Democratic (26%), Independent (25%) https://t.co/htVcKqOm6q

— Anthony Adragna (@AnthonyAdragna) October 2, 2024

xps - The WSJ must have it in for Musk because they usually respect and admire the kind of wealth that can finance a big dark money operation.

Wanna read Jack Smith's 165-page (redacted) motion re presidential immunity? Here it is.

I am reading this, I am up to page 43 and I am losing my shit with the flashbacks to this time period. My blood pressure is rising and I need to stop for my own well being.

looks like internet sleuths have figured out who all the names are just by looking at Trump's tweets on that day

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/01/trump-wisconsin-swerves-subjects/

how to report on his campaign events

A wild ride, there!

Yeah I've increasingly noticed "gotaways" as a thing with the right wingers screaming about migrants. Afaict they seem to be using the term to describe the "millions" of migrants who avoid border patrol and therefore don't get counted in immigration statistics which is why Kamala must be "lying about fewer migrants". But yet somehow they also know exactly how many gotaways "they" aren't counting and therefore know the "real" number of migrants?

Gift link for the swervy story

https://wapo.st/3zwddvv

This goes hard imo

https://www.tiktok.com/@kamalahq/photo/7421261242758597918

Man, Joe could have doddered out of the White House with everyone championing him as the best Democratic President since FDR. Burned his legacy (and actively supports genocide) for a guy he acknowledges wanted his opponent to win.

And so the plan is to just… what? Let him get away with it? Lay down and let them walk all over you? https://t.co/6XhWT4qQGb pic.twitter.com/en9Trl6YyJ

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) October 3, 2024

Wisconsin mayor gets in a wee bit of trouble for, uh, removing a public ballot drop box and locking it up in his office.

This Republican Mayor in Wisconsin decided to Trump up the local ballot drop box.

Now he says, "15 minutes of fame isn't all it's cracked up to be."

He's probably going to jail.

pic.twitter.com/88QmlKBMzb

— Grant Stern  (@grantstern) October 3, 2024

raise the minimum 15-minutes of fame wage

15 minutes should be a minimum 2 years of coasting afterward

Waunakee

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, October 2, 2024 1:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

But, I mean, suburban Madison. Definitely Democratic territory.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, October 2, 2024 1:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah this was just outside of Madison, like I go through there frequently and it's just a few minutes away from my house. But once you go outside of the city it gets Trumpy (or at least very mixed) pretty much instantly.

I was in NW Dane county and also neighboring Sauk county recently and "very mixed" is a good descriptor. In Kenosha city things are quite blue, sign-wise. Out in the county there's way more brainrot.

Like I went for a bike ride along a rails-to-trail path in Sauk and during one of the town portions saw FUCK YOUR FEELINGS flags, Punisher skulls and such in the same block as lgbtq flags and calls for cease fire in Gaza.

There was a little terrier or something yapping at me and I alllmost said "fuck your feelings, dog" but held my tongue lest its human was packing.

Domestic terrierism

They're arming the dogs!

Make America Grrrr Again

is there any evidence that anyone likes Liz Cheney?

Her dad does, maybe?

At this point I can muster a small amount of like for any Repub who dares to speak against Trump. She’s still crap on all other fronts though.

her House record is appalling, but I was more wondering what the supposed advantage is for Harris to campaign alongside this racist ghoul

So show ex-Trumpers or undecideds (eye roll) that it’s okay to vote for Harris rather than stay home or write in some dipshit? I dunno, I’m not in favor of this new-found collegiality either.

I don't like Liz Cheney. Happily, I don't have to. She's self-motivated. Liz hates Trump and she's an effective hater. She'll do anything she can to destroy him. It's OK with me to use her as a club to beat Trump over the head with.

I think worrying or complaining about Liz Cheney is pointless, tbh. I’m saving my anger for when Harris gives her a cabinet position (IOW, wgaf if she’s out there stumping against Trump, at least she’s doing that and not actively passing bills harmful to my existence. I’ll worry about her when she’s back in a position of political power)

Granted if this was David Duke I’d be saying something different and the line between Duke and Cheney is not as thick as it should be, but that’s human inconsistency for you

Liz has no viable path back into political power (unless Harris appoints her an ambassador or something similar). She's doing this for the satisfaction of publicly dragging Trump as hard as she can.

Yeah, I think an ambassadorship or something would be fine, that wouldn't bother me at all

I guess what I'm dubious about is: is she an effective club? I'm not confused about the logic; I'm questioning the conclusions, if that makes sense.

I do have more abstract concerns about platforming a despicable warmongering racist, but DJP has a point about the timing. My concern, more or less, is this generates headlines about Harris being cozy with one (1) Republican but doesn't damage Trump one bit. I'm unconvinced the Cheney brand has any pull, so the Harris campaign polishing it a little seems dumb to me

I think the strategy probably is just reminding people how many deep red Republicans actually hate Trump, but I think the problem is if you hate Trump, they consider you bluer than blue no matter how red you are.

There are two kinds of people who like Liz Cheney:

1. Traditional Chamber of Commerce-type Republicans who still identify as Republicans but really don't like Trump/MAGA and probably voted for Biden in 2020. (My mom's husband is one of these types, though I don't know his views on Cheney specifically.)

2. MSNBC-watching middle-aged and older liberals whose opposition to Trump is rooted in style as much as (if not more than) ideology, which makes them love anyone who's willing it stick it to the Orange Menace -- especially people about whom they can say "Even *she* hates him!!"

3. Neo-Cons and people who think of China as 'the enemy'

If you look at the absolute incoherency of the people who are still “undecided” it makes some amount of sense. It’s off-putting to people who hate the Cheneys and the people who would be most attracted by it are already on board (fervent resistance “enemy of my enemy” types ie half the people I know on Facebook who follow politics) but I think the campaign is gunning for the pudding-brained “I can’t figure out what each candidate stands for despite them both shrieking their stances into microphones 24/7” as well by showing their bipartisanship.

Liz probably retains some cachet with old-school Republicans over the age of 60 who were just fine with the Bush-Cheney administration, but feel uncomfortable with Trump, especially older Republican women who vaguely fret about the demise of Roe v Wade.

xpost Yes, which is why even though we found the VP debate unsatisfying I think the pudding-brained folks saw Walz call himself a knucklehead and thought "I like this fellow."

The main reason that wing of the GOP dislikes Trump is over NATO and Ukraine.

she's an effective hater

citation needed

Aside from the moral failing inherent to aligning oneself with the monsters like Cheney and the ‘hundreds of Bush staffers’ types is that there appears to be no evidence it has any electoral impact. Hillary getting the entire military and foreign policy arm of Republicanism on her side sure made the difference in 2020.

Democrats cozy up to Cheneys not out of political expedience but because they’re sick freaks who like it.

cool

There's a pack of wild dogs actively eating my family and then another one of the dogs that's just over there using the bathroom on my belongings, and I'm pretty unthrilled about everything that's transpiring but yeah if pressed I guess I'd say that I hate that one dog a little less than the others

sick freaks who like it

no kink-shaming plz

Political parties love highlighting turncoats from the opposing party, whether its Tulsi or RFK or Cheeny or Zell Miller or Colin Powell or Lieberman or all the racist Democrats who became Republicans.

Whoa, Melania! We never knew ya

Melania Trump doubled down in her first public response to news of her passionate support for abortion rights, a position starkly at odds with that of her husband, Donald Trump, and the Republican party he leads.

“Individual freedom is a fundamental principle that I safeguard,” the former first lady said in a video released on Thursday. “Without a doubt, there is no room for compromise when it comes to this essential right that all women possess from birth. Individual freedom. What does, ‘My body, my choice’ really mean?”

OK, good for her, but Melania is such a strange, politically and socially detached creature that it's hard to see what difference this makes to anyone or anything.

A support for abortion rights that was nowhere to be seen when Roe went down, but is now front and center because a book is out, and there is money to be made.

or it's some devious political calculation - "Honey, you be the pro-choice one, okay?" wouldn't surprise me at all

If the Cheneys are in to help beat Trump, so be it. That’s the result that matters.