U.S. Politics, October 2024 -- “They smear because they fear”

Al Gore pulled that shit with Bush.

My JD Vance report card from this evening's debate:

Style: D
Substance: F
Overall: A+

— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) October 2, 2024

X-post - yes to Flopson’s take

A good Washington Post piece about the Republican nominee's broken brain.

Signs reading SCHOOL CHOICE, EDUCATION FREEDOM NOW and LET PARENTS DECIDE decorated a small auditorium, and a panel of speakers preceding the former president focused on using public funds to let families choose between public and private, especially religious, schools. Trump read from a binder containing a prepared speech on the subject, and he switched abruptly between the text and a jumble of other topics.

“We can be nice and we can be politically incorrect, but the only thing they’re going to do there is cheat on elections, and we just can’t let this happen,” he said at one point. Without warning, he continued: “The city of Milwaukee is the home of first and oldest choice program.”
He spoke of “a million Rambos.” “Turnarounds” and “gotaways” and “dead-head spending.” He mixed up Iran with North Korea and strained to pronounce United Arab Emirates. He marveled at Hurricane Helene coming so late in the storm season, which typically runs through November. He falsely claimed government agencies can’t name the U.S. population, and he compared the conflict between Israel and Iran to “two kids fighting in the schoolyard.”

Trump, 78, often speaks in a digressive, extemporaneous style that thrills his fans at large-scale rallies. But Tuesday’s event, in front of almost entirely reporters, was especially scattered and hard to follow. Polls show voters’ concerns about Trump’s age and fitness have increased since President Joe Biden, 81, withdrew and was replaced as the Democratic nominee by Vice President Kamala Harris.

Trump spoke slowly and appeared tired. It was his second stop of the day, and he has picked up the pace of campaigning in recent weeks.

“I think I’m booked every single day for 33 days,” he said at the end of the news conference, incorrectly citing the number of days until the election, which is 35 days. “I’ve worked for 17 or 18 days when you say in a row, and I’m working even when I’m not working.”

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Much of what Trump said here he has said before. He repeated false claims about a U.S. government app directing cartels where to drop off smuggled migrants; in fact the app lets migrants request appointments for legal processing. He falsely accused the Biden administration of admitting 13,000 convicted murderers — a number that in fact reflects several decades of migration and includes people in federal or state custody.

He also repeatedly praised predominantly White countries such as Denmark, Norway and Sweden while emphatically warning against immigrants from Congo in Africa. And he again said migrants crossing the U.S. southern border were taking “Black and Hispanic jobs,” a characterization that many Americans found offensive and economists said was false.

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Several times Trump mixed up his words or spoke in vague terms. He praised Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban as a “tough guy” when he appeared to mean “strongman.” He complained that an interviewer with “60 Minutes” “challenged me on the computer” — meaning the interviewer argued with him in 2020 about the provenance of Hunter Biden’s laptop. He referred to Afghan attacks on coalition forces, known in NATO as “green on blue,” as “blue on brown and brown on blue.”

Asked whether as president he should have retaliated more forcefully to Iran’s missile strikes on U.S. forces in Iraq in 2020, Trump responded as he did at the time, by denying the severity of the more than 100 injuries, including traumatic brain injury. “They had a headache,” he said.

Other comments were harder to parse.

“Kamala and the radical left Democratic Party want to keep Black and Hispanic children trapped in family government,” he said.

“Every single thing that we’re doing is based on structure and common sense. I was looking at the various states, and I think 35 states could be the equivalent of Norway and Denmark.”

Likely voters were also split 50/50 in a Politico/Focaldata snap poll. However, the Politico poll showed Walz with a sixteen point lead among independent voters: 58 percent said the Minnesota governor won the debate versus 42 percent who sided with Vance.

flopson otm. "i agree with you, jd" -- like what the fuck are you talking about dude. fuck this piece of shit loser scab forever, is what i think you meant to say. seriously disappointing and also totally surreal in the context of vance denying the election and suddenly we're going back to "let's find a way to compromise with our republican colleagues"? hell no

in terms of incentives both candidates were aligned--just seem normal, don't rock the boat, don't need to win super hard just don't lose in a big newsworthy way. walz didn't try to bait vance by calling him weird, which i think was smart tbh. but he should've held the ideological line more firmly

I agree we need more Dem politicians who are willing to call Rs psycho freaks to their faces and scoff at the idea of working with those trying to burn down the country but Walz isn’t that guy

the second headline on the little clearchannel tv in my office building elevator this morning: "Vance struggles on Jan 6 in VP debate". (the top headline is today's weather.)

what does Reconsidering mean in that poll? for the 8% under Kamala, that 8% were considering voting for her and now are considering not voting forh er? the opposite? both?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax0KIhHFnaE

xpost Seems like it was people who said they were voting for Harris before the debate but are now reconsidering their vote due to JD's hypnotizing eyes

lol chode switch

JD's hypnotizing eyes

he's a dick and he's drowning slowly

Hypnochoad

Cryptochoad

xp, but I'm posting anyway
Hypnochode

Fwiw, as a San Francisco resident I thought Harris would have a serious swag deficit. Fortunately it looks managable!

Swag Deficit were going drop their debut just as Def Jux closed down.

I didn’t watch the debate and the only news that has penetrated my mostly political free online and work life existence is JD Vance’s exchange with the moderator about fact checking so it feels like this is a clear win for the Harris campaign.

for a Veep debate to be effective you have to land a "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" that gets talked about decades later to really make waves

(as far as moving the needle in terms of polls/results etc)

And it didn’t help the Dukakis/Bentsen ticket anyway

exactly. nobody cares about Veeps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNGCNtDb-w

If these debates don't matter, why didn't Walz just say "Yes, I would force catholic hospitals to provide abortions. THEY'RE FUCKING HOSPITALS!" Would have felt so good.

Throughout his time as vice president, Quayle was characterized by some media outlets and journalists as being unprepared for the position. Given his position, his comments were heavily scrutinized for factual and grammatical errors. Contributing to this perception of Quayle was his tendency to make public statements that were either impossible ("I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future"[2]), self-contradictory ("I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy, but that could change"[34]), self-contradictory and confused ("The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. ... No, not our nation's, but in World War II. I mean, we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century, but in this century's history"[3]), or just confused (such as the comments he made in a May 1989 address to the United Negro College Fund (UNCF). Commenting on the UNCF's slogan—which is "a mind is a terrible thing to waste"—Quayle said, "You take the UNCF model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is").

Kind of reminds me of how the press treated a more recent VP.

Wow. WOW.

I don’t know if I’d trust that man to deliver a pizza!

If these debates don't matter, why didn't Walz just say "Yes, I would force catholic hospitals to provide abortions. THEY'RE FUCKING HOSPITALS!" Would have felt so good.

― henry s, Wednesday, October 2, 2024 12:37 PM bookmarkflaglink

I think the general gist is "they don't move the needle, but we should avoid doing things that might hurt us nonetheless".

i wish he'd have said "nope, we are cancelling CAtholic HOspitals"

Attack ad:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/10/jd-vance-and-the-future-of-the-gop

I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax0KIhHFnaE

Walz coulda just kept going and going: "Lemme get this straight: somebody's fucking CONSCIENCE is worth more than somebody's fucking LIFE??!!" Would have been an epic rant. It's sure as fuck what I was thinking.

yr hardcore xtians would say "yes, obviously! your immortal soul, hello?!"

There was a lost moment when Vance said something to the effect of "The American people voted in Harris" and Walz should've jumped on that like a dog on turkey, "So you ADMIT THAT SHE WON!" etc., but he let it slide

he's a dick and he's drowning slowly

applauds

don't want to appear to kink shame in any way shape or form but JD's eyeliner squicks me out and I just don't understand why he do that or what he hopes to achieve

trying to impress Jodie Foster

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-7276-20121007-greenday-env-thumb-624x420-1349717589.jpg?w=624&h=420&crop=1

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https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Mad-Max-2-Road-Warrior-Wez.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Eyes_of_the_overworld_first.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/thenerddaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/The-Cabinet-of-Dr-Caligari.jpg?w=1000&ssl=1

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgAWsF-2v9q8XakwZam5kjuED2tHl9y_Vduwud0VZ6xhStLYuP

As a devout Lutheran, Walz should have called the pope the Antichrist, but I’m afraid Vance would have agreed with him.

🖼

he played the Termite of Temptation

Brian Eno is in every Mad Max movie, but in the background, and only if you *want* to see him.

Eno does "Ambient acting"