U.S. Politics, October 2024 -- “They smear because they fear”

Well no, it won’t help him be more likable because he is doing an excellent job of being wholly repellent and loathsome

its a weird debate. walz seems nervous but he's okay. i was hoping that walz would just go after trump and he has been. he's being too nice to vance though.

it feels like walz needed better writers. he's slamming trump and vance but they don't sound like slams and what he is saying isn't very memorable. kinda same old/same old.

only thing anyone will remember from this will be vance whining about fact-checking

OTM

Has he advised how to check of it’s my alternator or battery?

Waltz did well on this gun issue, way to go

Walz

Did Walz say he became friends with school shooters?

I heard that too!

Yeah, tongue slip

He wants to understand both sides

Good shots on both sides.

JD sure hates Kamala...

So let's build on federal lands?

"You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell."

strong answer by walz on healthcare

I wish they would ask Vance if he understands the powers of the Vice Presidency. Seems like he thinks he’ll be able to do anything.

"we have so much we want to get to" for November thread title

― go polish your nose ring (sleeve)

Not so good if Trump wins.

Walz is doing better after the break, probably pulled even.

“i say this as a personal matter because i’m married to a beautiful woman” - vance

Here’s the problem : Buttigieg played Vance in Walz’s prep. Tonight Vance is playing Pete Buttigieg in this debate . He is perfectly reasonable, collegial , even empathetic.

Walz is allowing this far-right loon to project calm normality. Walz hasn’t figured out how to bring out the ‘weird’ in Vance. Though I’m not sure how he would , anyways.

"January 6th was not Facebook ads"

yeah i agree. vance is lying like crazy but instead of calling him on it walz is focusing on the feel good stuff they “agree” on. i get why he’s doing it but its giving a stalemate at best

xp collardio

Love Walz take on democracy.

vance making it about “muh facebook censorship” was so pathetic

Vance cannot say Trump lost the 2020 election

JD is blaming Harris and illegal immigrants for everything---Harris let the illegal immigrants drive up housing prices, also lying about stuff Trump has done and proposed---brushing it off and denying it, I should say, since he's being polite, nicer than at rallies and in interviews---so yeah, he's set the bar very low, hopping over it real nice in his manner---also a lot of "non-answers," replies talking around the question---but in a smooth way, so it may get called a draw,as a more-or-less consensus/centrist take.

I think Walz got the winning soundbite

Trying to make "...because of Kamala Harris's policies" a thing.

pretty disappointing overall imo

Draw, Vance won the first half but Walz recovered and did well in the second half.

hey yall, didnt watch the debate, i just wanna say i hate this bumass country and i hate this election with all mah heart

hope thats chill w everyone

Vance won, by seeming calm and reasonable instead of the nutcase he actually is. But this debate is not going to matter.

W did jab in first half sometimes, esp. about Trump nixing the bipartisan immigration deal. Is Vance gonna be this nice on the trail now? PBS dude saying Vance's people say no.

Walz largely failed to spell out all the crazy things Trump and Vance have said, and he failed to defend the current state of the economy and the border. Walz just tried to be a nice guy

Yeah I don’t know who Vance expected to win over with his numerous “I actually somewhat agree with the governor” because no you fucking don’t.

the nutcase stuff is a lot of the country's first impression of him. but its not the same kind of ranting and raving nutcase that Trump is, he comes off way more calculated and conniving. Trump's greatest (maybe only?) political gift is that he comes off like a WWE heel, you know he doesn't literally mean what he says but you get the gist of it. Vance comes off like the exact opposite of that.

Vance, with a few exceptions, was just sanewashing himself and Trump

Yes, TW should have said more about economy and border (undocumented crossings down 30% in last few months), but crazy things said are in news all the time. He was maybe disconcerted by JD mirroring his nice guy thing for a change (although, seems like Pete B. would have done some of that in debate rehearsals).

Although Vance's refusal to acknowledge Trump lost the 2020 election did damage his slick presentation, but that was way at the end of the debate

I was a little disappointed with Walz’s delivery but I don’t think the structure of this debate served the viewer particularly well. The main take-away from this debate was Vance refusing to say Biden won the 2020 election.

With Trump, despite his familiar approach, I'm less and less sure of how much he means what he says, beyond the moment, anyway, but "sanewashing," yeah!!

And Walz kept pressing him about the state's rights approach to reproductive rights, naming women who had suffered and sometimes died, having to travel far for care---also naming Texas has having higher infant mortality rates than a lot of countries---vs. Minnesota protection, correcting Vance's lies about that too.

Walz was prob at his strongest on that.

so far the clip that seems to be getting the most play is Vance saying "you guys said you weren't gonna fact check" which given Vance's debate club vibe is a tremendously idiotic thing to say

Re abortion and fertility issues Vance actually said he felt bad about those people who died, and Walz needed to demand a minute to spell out better that those women died because of who Trump put on the Supreme Court and Vance feeling bad now doesn't matter . But for some reason the Harris campaign strategy for Walz was just to disagree politely

Walz largely failed to spell out all the crazy things Trump and Vance have said, and he failed to defend the current state of the economy and the border. Walz just tried to be a nice guy

The correct choice, in a vibes-based election that will be decided by morons. I didn't watch, but from what I'm reading, Vance's two big moments were "You said you weren't going to fact-check!" and refusing to say Trump lost in 2020.