US Politics, September 2024 -- “I’m Not Going to Apologize For Posting a Joke”

jpg, shared on bsky, from a paywalled wsj story. I want real world consequences for Vance and the rest of these fucks.
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Miss Sassy is actually the nickname for her gay son Andrew.

legit actual lol

I hope this shit follows Vance forever.

like a tough little dingleberry that he just can't unstick

Is this the lady who started this shit? Or just someone who heard Vance talking about this and started making assumptions?

that wsj story

no, this is the woman who started it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/us/springfield-haitians-pets-facebook-rumor.html

Yikes. Suspect this is why Harris' and Dems' rhetoric on immigration is harsher than in past campaigns

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4885895-mass-deportation-immigration-poll/

concerning.

Yet half those people have never even interacted with a non-legal citizen

that's disturbing af

i listened to an interesting podcast recently about the children's book "if you give a mouse a cookie" and how it has been used to indoctrinate people to the right wing concept of reducing/eliminating/stigmatizing the social safety net.

i wonder how many americans have internalized the message that "no one deserves a handout"
seems like a lot from that poll!!

It’s because the Ds have ceded the point to the Republicans and not hit back with a strong defense of immigrants.

yup

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3FDgF5BNHWfhJxQStLtRZ0?si=42171a1c9c9f4eaf
here's the podcast, it's short

I’m more disturbed why Harris/Walz have been missing from this whole Ohio thing. Seems like a great time to defend immigrants!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/17/politics/video/springfield-false-rumors-immigrants-kamala-harris-nabj-philadelphia-digvid

Should they do a rally there like Trumps plans to do? Seems lame

It’s because the Ds have ceded the point to the Republicans and not hit back with a strong defense of immigrants.

― O 'Tis Redding (Boring, Maryland)

otm

Join the club. Same thing's been happening all over Europe for a while now.

... and we all know where it leads electorally.

There were post-mortem discussions after Florida swung to the right in 2020 and 2022 by a couple Hispanic polling companies, and they learned that "immigration" isn't the problem so much as the sense that these new arrivals -- legal and illegal -- are getting handouts or "jumping to the front of the line." Therefore, Democrats should stop assuming Hispanics care about immigration as a general question. They were turning off swing voters apparently.

Now imagine these attitudes AND the racism infecting Haitian immigrants.

Honestly, if the Dems were anything but a bunch of more quietly racist and nationalist losers, they would be pointing out that everyone here is an immigrant, and that demonizing immigrants either legal or illegal is a childish and inarguably racist way of viewing the world. But they won't do that because they're too chickenshit to stand up for what's right.

there was a lot of pro-immigrant talk at the convention.

kamala yesterday was pretty poignant about ohio in that interview. school picture day! that was pretty sad.

not to sound like, uh, the heritage foundation or something but i just don't understand how this country can be so shortsighted when it comes to undocumented immigration. how there is no long-term plan to deal with with the problem after decades of it getting worse and worse. and with future climate displacement it is truly going to be much much worse. when you see the amount of people coming from Asia alone. its a lot of people! which is why Trump is going to die on his racist/xenophobic hill. i think that's what he has decided. its his last chance to win. i doubt he'll really bring up anything else until the election. its going to be fear 24/7. he must know that it's his only shot.

Well, the bleak view would be that they’re well aware of how much worse things will get with climate displacement, and the overall right turn reflects the assumption that we will not be able to deal with it and need to prepare for ever harsher measures to keep the desperate masses out.

i mean the "funny" thing is despite all the years of xenophobic grandstanding america still does take in a ton of immigrants

Anyone interested in this topic, I encourage you to purchase and read this book for a former ilxor https://carlybethgoodman.com/ !!
Dreamland: America’s Immigration Lottery in an Age of Restriction

*BY a former ilxor, is what I meant to say.

Kamala addressing the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute today btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYQWPMyII3s

It survives as an eternal wedge issue.

Ok I guess what Dena have been saying in response isn’t being covered very well.

(I’m not saying I *like* that, to be clear!)

Dems, I don’t know who Dena is

Harris has definitely been both-sidesing the issue, doing some warm-fuzzy we're-all-immigrants talk and some tough crackdown-on-the-border stuff. Which has kind of been the normal Dem playbook for a long time.

I understand how and why scapegoating works, but it is legit crazy to me that so many Americans really do consistently cite this as one of their top concerns. Unlike the economy — which has obvious and real impacts on people's lives — "immigration" feels pretty abstract. I don't think many people could really cite any particular negative impact on their own lives from immigration, documented or undocumented. People are reacting to what they see on TV or hear from political leaders, that there's this "crisis," while at the same time living side by side or at least in the same cities and towns with immigrants who are making up majorities of service workers in a lot of industries (construction and hospitality, to name the most obvious ones). The economic data is unambiguous that the current immigrant population of the country is a net positive. We put a new roof on our house this year, and the entire - entire! — crew that actually did the work was Latino.

It just seems so bizarre for so many people to be convinced that something that is actually good for their quality of life is somehow harmful to it.

Kamala is live.

Y'all have no idea how feral Latinos get when these people don't follow the rules and get benefits now. The up-from-the-bootstraps works for me, not thee.

OK I guess what Dems have been saying in response isn’t being covered very well.

Sun goes up, sun goes down.

tipsy otm, as someone who lives in Phoenix the "crisis at the border" framing, which I feel has been adopted pretty widely across the media, drives me absolutely nuts.

immigration is something that pokes people in a weird bad spot all over the world and has for a long time, people dont like change they dont like those from outside, america is prob better than most places as far as that stuff goes, just had a conversation with a friend who who was born in armenia moved to russia and then america and he was saying america is so much more welcoming to immigrants than either armenia or russia, which stands to reason since america is as they say a nation of immigrants, especially if you move to a place like nyc where 40% of people were born outside the country

places like japan that more or less just dont allow immigration even now that their populations are declining causing lots of undesirable situations, european countries facing population decline are having all sorts of racist/xenophobic reactions to the immigrants theyre letting in to try to combat it

to quote jd vace you ever seen the movie gangs of new york

JD Vance on asylum seekers -- "you ever see the movie Shutter Island?"

she's talking about immigration now.

except now she's not. didn't last long.

Alfred otm — see also the podcast I posted about how deeply ingrained the idea of “don’t give handouts” is within the populace of this country. I’m personally sickened by how easy it is for people to scapegoat immigrants and there’s basically nothing I can individually do about it. Immensely upsetting and I try not to get too heated about it for my own sake.

i came in the legal way and am now a citizen and I undoubtedly make this country worse. something to think about.

kamala is saying the right things or at least as right as one can expect from a centrist dem, doesnt seem like shes saying them loudly tho, whether thats not wanting to get in yr adversarys way when theyre fucking up or just being wary of the situation idk, id like to see her be more forceful here