US Politics, September 2024 -- “I’m Not Going to Apologize For Posting a Joke”

aside from "they're eating dogs!!" the greatest legacy of this debate is probably going to be those kamala reactions

can't find it rn (it's probably on this thread) but my favorite one was something like

My wife when I start talking about Michael Mann's Heat (1995)

Best thing in the debate is Kamala Harris Facial Reactions #Debate2024 pic.twitter.com/SlfZMGsaoj

— 𝐕𝐉☆ (@HeDontMissVj) September 11, 2024

I'd mostly forgotten about the Drudge Report but the headlines today are over the top in a fun way

TRUMP'S 911
WORST PERFORMANCE OF CAREER

THE NIGHT TRUMP LOST IT ALL...
BECOMES WHAT HE FEARED MOST: LAUGHING STOCK...
RATTLED DON DEMANDS ABC BE SHUT DOWN...
FLIGHT RISK: WILL FEDS SEIZE PASSPORT?
SAYS HE'LL FLEE USA IF HARRIS WINS...
LIVE IN EXILE?

I never thought I’d experience *positive* nostalgia for the Drudge Report

no, they should die in a house fire.

otm

someone on NPR just mentioned Breitbart which I have to admit I haven't thought of in years

Drudge still has a Tripod/Geocities/Angelfire look which is pretty nostalgic

always loved how much it looked like shit even back when it was current

I asked Stephen Miller, one of Donald Trump's top advisors, what is the evidence for saying that Caracas and Venezuela are safer than the United States. He began by answering that it is the government's numbers. I asked him if he trusted Maduro's numbers. And this was his… pic.twitter.com/qkXTNiGmt0

— José María Del Pino (@josemdelpino) September 11, 2024

I hadn't really clocked how exactly he looks like that guy from the Spongebob cartoon

good for that reporter, just keep asking the same fucking question

Miller has simple rules of engagement, really. When asked a question with an answer that will embarrass you, don't answer but ask the interviewer a different question that has a far more convenient answer. When cornered, yell a lot. When the interviewer refuses to be flustered or give up, yell louder, accuse the interviewer of bad faith, and walk away. He looks like a fool, but at least he can't be filmed answering that goddamned embarrassing question and having it played back at him every time he makes his false claim.

Tapper: Trump is traveling with a veritable legion of doom of bigots and liars. Perhaps none so depraved as this woman, Laura Loomer. Just on Sunday, she posted an insanely racist message that if Harris, whose mom was an Indian immigrant, wins, the White House will 'smell like… pic.twitter.com/J6938cwfmF

— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) September 11, 2024

particularly insane considering who Vance's wife is

It's over:

As my friend @taylorswift13 so eloquently stated, now is the time to research and choose the candidate that speaks to you and your beliefs. Only 54 days left until the election. Make sure you are registered to vote! Your vote in this election may be one of the most important… pic.twitter.com/hN9OaBfH2Z

— Stevie Nicks (@StevieNicks) September 11, 2024

I'm open to explanations of how this is not otm but I fear very much that it is. But that's also why it matters which question you ask, in terms of getting survey data and having it mean anything.

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:01 PM (four hours ago)

Good point about what we call the 'script' (the list of questions we ask the voters at the doors/phones and the list of answer choices). A good campaign should test different versions on a small scale before deciding on a main script for the major canvassing push.

sad side effect of the Mango Mussolini's bullshit

WASHINGTON, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Haitian Americans said they fear for their safety after Donald Trump repeated a false and derogatory claim during this week's presidential debate about immigrants in Ohio.

Haitian community leaders across the U.S. said the Republican candidate's remarks about immigrants eating household pets during his debate with Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris could put lives at risk and further inflame tensions in the small city of Springfield, Ohio, where thousands of recent Haitian arrivals have boosted the local economy but also strained the safety net.

Mentioned the hand-on-chin last night:

https://i.postimg.cc/NMJm8Tgg/chin.jpg

Reminded me so much of Obama's "Please, Governor, proceed" in 2012.

I love the Stevie Nicks post, "from a childless dog lady".

Trump couldn't really lose this debate because he is who he is, but he presented a particularly angry version of himself this time, and repeated insane conspiracy theories (Hatians eating pets in Ohio, millions of criminals crossing the border, "illegals" getting trans surgery in prison etc etc). The depressing thing is that nobody cares and nobody takes notice of these statements.

The burden was all on Harris. She had to prove herself. It was Harris's debate to win or lose. I think she won

also his mouth looked really weird the entire time

NEW: A General Services Administration spox tells NPR that as of 11 a.m. ET today there have been 306,422 visitors to https://t.co/WXfQ7iuhYq referred from Taylor Swifts’s URL she shared on Instagram last night

— Elena Moore (@ElenaMMoore) September 11, 2024

I love the Stevie Nicks post, "from a childless dog lady"

Some people want kids, other people want cocaine blown up their assholes. It’s all about choices.

the debate was really good tv. i’ve been enjoying rewatching clips posted online all day today. hard to pick a favorite

note that Nicks did not offer an endorsement, just GOTV hype

C'mon, the dog lady thing is a giveaway

She's never going back again.

yes the "childless dog lady" was a total give away

she wants us to go our own way

Trump's horribleness is totally normalized now. I hate it

yeah, I wonder if Musk's offer to impregnate Swift would've even occurred had he not signed on with that sleaze camp

nobody cares and nobody takes notice of these statements

That's true. That's why you haven't seen any clips circulating on the news, it's not the subject of any late night comedy monologues, nothing. Just pebbles dropped into an empty mine shaft.

two things are true, Harris won and Trump lost, badly.

Trump only lost badly if he lost a few thousand votes in each of the critical swing states. Otherwise all he did was show his ass in public one more time, when we've all seen more of his ass than we care to see in this lifetime.

he reinforced his 'senior yells at cloud' reputation but some voters clearly like that act

Harris otoh undoubtedly won. She almost certainly solidified her standing with her natural voting base and gained some favor from voters who had felt unsure about her because of their lack of familiarity with her. Her answer on abortion probably amped up quite a few new young women voters, if they were watching. We'll all see better the results when some of the dust has settled. The Taylor Swift endorsement might have even outweighed the debate in terms of consequences to the election.

The depressing thing is that nobody cares and nobody takes notice of these statements.

what universe do you inhabit because these statements are literally the only thing anyone has talked about for the past day. I am at a relatively new job (for a financial services company) where no one ever talks politics and I walked in and the first thing someone said to me was "did you watch the debate????" My boss turned to me halfway through the day enraged about the 'after birth abortion' rhetoric.

Wowwww at Miller. The whole “no, I’m going to ask YOU a question” crossfire table turning thing is so embarrassing… like, “what are you doing, I’m a journalist, I’m not competing against you”… it seems to come from a false sense of confidence wrt one’s ability to intimidate others. It’s like shitty Batman villain stuff, Maxwell Smart dumb crap

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/11/opinion/trump-harris-debate-joseph-gordon-levitt.html

^ the best thing I have ever seen, well today at least.

see this is why it's good to have Harris in because Trump said that same exact shit the last time but nobody noticed because Biden sounded like he was dying

I watched the MSNBC, Fox News and then the CNN after debate coverage. MSNBC was live with Tim Walz (only appearance last night) when the Swift endorsement dropped. Rachel Maddow read the whole thing to the US audience (no other network read out the full thing). Fox was interesting to say the least, all spin no substance. They all were saying the moderation was loop sided. When T come into the spin room, they all just bent the knee. CNN tried to do too many things all at once but had the most professional cast with like 25 guests. I did this all last night too because I was amped and was up way too late. It was past 2AM when I finally went to bed, work today was interesting,,,

lol @ whining about the mods fact checking you, if you don't like it then stop making shit up

loop sided

Good description of Fox, actually, but you forgot the 'y'.

I've seen some people ask "does Trump really think he won the debate?" and it seems pretty obvious that he does not, if he did he wouldn't be hanging out in the spin room talking about how great he did, that whole thing was him venting. I mean there were some points during the second half where I've never seen him look that shook before.

funny thing is he's only hurting himself doing shit like walking into the spin room and insisting 90% of people who watched thought he won. I know his voting base is crazy but most of them aren't Trump crazy. they know he's losing his mind but will vote for him anyway because the alternative, to them, is worse. same way we felt about Sleepy Joe. but he's demonstrating not only that he's actually terrible at getting shit done he's also really obnoxious and makes the entire Republican party look like idiots, how many of these folks just say fuck it, not taking an hour of my day to vote for him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6phBoRvpc

Trump said that same exact shit the last time but nobody noticed because Biden sounded like he was dying

He may have said the same stuff but he said it different (obviously because of the higher caliber opponent, which rattled him). It wasn't just that Harris was better than Biden, Trump was worse than he was at the last debate. When he's winning, he's enjoying it, and when he's enjoying it he can be lighter and funnier and that can make some of the dumb stuff be "oh he's not being serious" to some people.

It doesn't work the same way when he's angrier and there's no levity at all to wash the medicine down with. The delivery is more important than the words for most people, who fill in their own words to at least some degree, which is why its easier to tell who won any kind of debate if you turn the sound off

the lack of enthusiasm for Trump among his voters was already very evident before this debate, but they'll get out and vote for him again anyway. that stubborn loyalty to him played out back in the primaries when they gave the cold shoulder to Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis. the main reason that tepid levels of excitement in his base will matter going forward is the same old weirdness of the electoral college and thin margins in swing states we've been dragged through every four years since 2000. minimal shifts in voter sentiment and random noise will rule the day. it sucks, but its what we have until something changes that we can't yet foresee.

the lack of enthusiasm for Trump among his voters was already very evident before this debate, but they'll get out and vote for him again anyway. that stubborn loyalty to him played out back in the primaries when they gave the cold shoulder to Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis.

Except for the 20% of them that voted for Haley. Do you think if Trump loses 20% of his base in the general election he can still squeak out an Electoral College victory? I don't.

I think he still doesn't know the difference between political asylum and a mental asylum - and that's one of the big reasons he keeps saying it

the numbers would indicate that those Haley voters are telling pollsters they will stick with Trump. the only way to know for sure is to hold the election and count the votes.