US Politics, August 2024 -- "Unburdened By a Has-Been"

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I got my dad a copy of Ones and Sixes for his birthday, he really loved it

He also really likes Algiers

laughter is the best weapon (DJP), Friday, 2 August 2024 16:55 (one year ago)

Up now on Rolling Stone's site:

Trump’s Racist Attacks on Kamala Harris Are Part of a Larger, Unhinged Plan
Team Trump believes questioning Harris’ racial identity is smart politics — and is behind him “100 percent,” says a person close to Trump

Donald Trump’s comments on Wednesday questioning whether Vice President Kamala Harris is Black were not an off-the-cuff expression of racism, but part of a broader campaign strategy that Trump and many of his key lieutenants plan to make a heavy focus of their final three-month sprint to retake the White House.

Asked on Wednesday about Republicans accusing Harris of being a “DEI hire” or “DEI candidate,” Trump responded by questioning Harris’ racial identity. “She was always of Indian heritage, and she was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn’t know she was Black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn Black,” he said, adding: “She made a turn, and she became a Black person, and I think somebody should look into that.”

As unhinged as this sounds — and is — Team Trump believes this is a politically smart message, according to three people on and close to the 2024 Trump-Vance campaign. In their private conversations, Trump and some of his closest advisers appear to believe that leveling this attack as loudly as they could help sell the idea that Harris is a “phony” in the minds of independent voters. Trump believes he wins battles when he gets to define the messaging terrain and have Democrats and his media nemeses fight him on his terms (hence, Trump’s deep annoyance at Harris and Democrats’ relentless drive to call him, J.D. Vance, and other conservative leaders “weird”). So, Trump and his allies have been reveling in this line of racial-identity sniping, hoping to bait Democratic leaders into a mud fight.

Some Trump advisers have even argued — including long before Trump began this Harris-isn’t-Black crusade — that painting Harris as inauthentically Black could potentially resonate with certain Black voters, particularly disaffected, young men — who are already skeptical of Harris and President Joe Biden.

The sources stressed that Trump’s comments were not — as has been the case numerous times in his campaigns and during his administration — a situation in which the former president has gone rogue on the stump and indulged his own lack of political impulse control. (These sources in the past have generally had no trouble privately admitting it when that has been the case.) Rather, this is a case of Trump and an array of his aides and influential allies settling on a race-baiting strategy that they are, for the time being at least, convinced will work out well for them in this presidential election.

“It’s not by accident; it’s intentional. We’re behind the [former] president, 100 percent,” a person close to Trump tells Rolling Stone.

In that sense, it is similar to the relatively new, extreme Republican Party-wide policy aim of bombing or invading Mexico. What sounds like an unhinged, errant Trump thought is a mainstream conservative view and plan of action.

The line of attack, of course, has its share of critics among the conservative elite. As Politico reported last month, House Republican leadership practically begged their own rank and file during a private meeting to avoid talking about Harris’ race. Those entreaties clearly aren’t sticking.

On Thursday, Vance — the Ohio senator who Trump tapped for his 2024 vice-presidential slot — swooped in to further buttress the Team Trump tactic. “She is everything to everybody, and she pretends to be somebody different depending on which audience she is in front of,” Vance told CNN. “I think it’s totally reasonable for the president to call that out, and that’s all he did,” Vance said.”

The latest round of Trumpian gutter politics appears to be motivated by a sudden sense of urgency within the upper echelons of MAGAworld — a sense that did not exist just weeks ago, when Republicans thought Trump was cruising to a landslide against Biden, before he bowed out of the 2024 race and endorsed Harris. According to two sources familiar with the matter, behind closed doors, Trump has expressed bewilderment — or genuine surprise even — at Harris’ uptick in the polls, her latest fundraising hauls, and the ease with which her party rallied to her, as opposed to devolving into a disastrous intra-party power struggle ahead of the 2024 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. (Indeed, almost immediately after Biden dropped out, close allies and trusted associates to Trump started directly warning him not to underestimate Harris as a general election rival.)

Harris responded to racist Trump’s comments Wednesday evening at an event in Houston. “It was the same old show: the divisiveness, and the disrespect,” she said. “And let me just say the American people deserve better.”

Trump delivered his broadside against Harris, questioning her racial identity, during a remarkably hostile Q&A before the National Association of Black Journalists convention. It soon became apparent that this was not just Trump being himself, but a coordinated campaign message.

The former president posted a video on Truth Social of Harris cooking with the actress Mindy Kaling, and talking about her South Asian heritage. He wrote: “Crazy Kamala is saying she’s Indian, not Black. This is a big deal. Stone cold phony. She uses everybody, including her racial identity!”

Before Trump arrived at a campaign rally in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, a Business Insider headline was projected on screen at the event that read: “California’s Kamala Harris becomes first Indian-American U.S. senator.”

Trump did not specifically repeat his attack on Harris at the rally, though his legal spokeswoman and lawyer Alina Habba certainly tried. “Unlike you, Kamala, I know who my roots are,” she said, stumbling over her words. “I know where I come from.”

In a throwback to Trump’s incessant demand to see President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, far-right activist Laura Loomer posted an apparent copy of Harris’ birth certificate online, writing that the document “proves she is NOT BLACK.”

The attack on Harris has been bubbling up in pro-Trump circles for years. Ali Alexander, the far-right Trump supporter who organized the “Stop the Steal” rally that preceded the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, tweeted in 2019: “Kamala Harris is implying she is descended from American Black Slaves. She’s not. She comes from Jamaican Slave Owners. That’s fine. She’s not an American Black. Period.”

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:00 (one year ago)

when they play Low, we play Sleep

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:01 (one year ago)

This will end well, I’m sure

laughter is the best weapon (DJP), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:03 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVejEB5uVk

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:04 (one year ago)

Kamala has to deal with these attacks like obamadirtofftheshoulder.gif and move on

omar little, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:06 (one year ago)

isn't there a completely different message board to discuss the merits of Low?

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:11 (one year ago)

Some Trump advisers have even argued — including long before Trump began this Harris-isn’t-Black crusade — that painting Harris as inauthentically Black could potentially resonate with certain Black voters, particularly disaffected, young men — who are already skeptical of Harris and President Joe Biden.

harris already polling at obama numbers with black voters, the problem with appealing to disaffected people is you dont actually have much credibility with them theyre just disaffected

lag∞n, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:12 (one year ago)

ah, the old racism dial

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:14 (one year ago)

"this one goes to eleven"

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:14 (one year ago)

I only got into Low about five years ago and now I'm a fan. Didn't know about the LDS roots!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:16 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQiSz-gD75s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC79_QRqCEU

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:18 (one year ago)

The original lineup of Low quite literally stayed on my grad dorm living room floor back in 1994 after a show and we had Bob's Big Boy for breakfast the day after. Friendly, quiet, good people, and I will always honor Mimi's memory.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:23 (one year ago)

The former president posted a video on Truth Social of Harris cooking with the actress Mindy Kaling, and talking about her South Asian heritage.

I'm sure any fan of the American Office finds this extremely amusing, immediately conjuring up images of Ryan the Intern and "WUPHF.com!"

clemenza, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:32 (one year ago)

Sorry if this has already been shared

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-nomination-dnc-463d0b8095f2ca3526b3af3a2f44c3ca

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:33 (one year ago)

in that video that trump posted kamala LITERALLY says that she is half Indian.

scott seward, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:35 (one year ago)

gotta pick a side tho no fair having two cuisines

lag∞n, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:35 (one year ago)

or she says that mindy looks like everyone IN THE INDIAN HALF of her family. which may have been too subtle for Trump.

scott seward, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:36 (one year ago)

that post collardio made about pulling slave handler psychological warfare tactics re kamala's ancestry is a good one. how kamala effectively responds to that is a good question. i feel like unfortunately the best thing would be to respond in some depth and not just brush it off. but a response where she doesn't play into the 'prove your ancestry' trap, she flips it to emphasize the point that americans are diverse but we share a culture, identity and an ethos. melting pot stuff.

he/him hoo-hah (map), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:40 (one year ago)

Meantime on the 'they eat their own' front. (Worth it for all the quotes ripping into each other.)

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/01/recount-confirms-bob-goods-loss-after-gop-rallies-to-oust-one-of-their-own-00172424

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:41 (one year ago)

The Mindy Kaling/Office connection is a good one, because Trump's handling of race is basically Michael Scott-level, but hateful instead of just clueless.

clemenza, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

melting pot stuff

yeah, the idea of 'intersectionality' just blows their minds, but it's coded into our national DNA

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:49 (one year ago)

Are u german or scottish bitch because huns and haggis aint makin it

well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:52 (one year ago)

I bet he doesn’t even know if he’s Pictish or not.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 2 August 2024 17:56 (one year ago)

angle or jute make up your fucking mind, Trump! you are obviously catering to the angle vote with one speech and jute with another.

scott seward, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:59 (one year ago)

picts foreveh! the jutes should go back to jutland where they came from.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:02 (one year ago)

is there even a pictish haplogroup, and most u&k, what do they think about Low

well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:04 (one year ago)

I bet he doesn’t even know if he’s Pictish or not.

His mother's from the Western Isles so highly unlikely there's any Pict in there. Norse/Gael I'd warrant.

Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:08 (one year ago)

US Politics, August 2024 - Do You Know How to Walz?

JoeStork, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:11 (one year ago)

Even by GOP standards it is a stunning disconnect with the American People 2024 to think the idea of mixed ancestry is incomprehensible to the average person.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:12 (one year ago)

xpost Goddamn that's perfect

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:13 (one year ago)

the argument is more that shes code switching when its convenient for her dei ambitions

lag∞n, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:13 (one year ago)

Things We Lost In the Misfire

omar little, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:14 (one year ago)

code switching = Vance being a salt-of-the-earth hillbilly or a polished venture capitalist depending on who he's currently addressing

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:16 (one year ago)

yup tho tbf he doesnt do a very convincing hillbilly

lag∞n, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:19 (one year ago)

interesting piece on the pronunciation of kamala https://defector.com/donald-trump-bumbles-his-way-toward-a-more-perfect-kamala?giftLink=567e8f87bb464d05c9d12d8ff3771da7

lag∞n, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:24 (one year ago)

i feel like unfortunately the best thing would be to respond in some depth and not just brush it off.

Why? Who would this response be aimed at? Who is the audience for it? Seriously. Have you ever heard the phrase "I won't dignify that with a response"? This is exactly the kind of thing that sentence was created for. The only correct response to Trump's bullshit is "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:37 (one year ago)

yeah, I'm not gauging a lot of voter concern about Harris' ethnicity - this is a manufactured attack as they really don't have much else

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:39 (one year ago)

wow @ Vance's expression there

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:40 (one year ago)

I really think the only way to address it, if one would do so, is use it to call out the hypocrisy of republicans. How they hate identity politics, but they're always the ones who are trying to politicize the identity of others. How they're the ones talking about corruption, and yet they're rallying behind the most corrupt failed politician this country has ever seen. Etc etc.

omar little, Friday, 2 August 2024 18:40 (one year ago)

“shut the hell up about pikachu” is extremely relatable.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:46 (one year ago)

I bet he doesn’t even know if he’s Pictish or not.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, August 2, 2024 5:56 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

To reprise one of my favorite posts to ilx over the years, "Picts or it didn't happen."

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:46 (one year ago)

I really think the only way to address it, if one would do so, is use it to call out the hypocrisy of republicans. How they hate identity politics, but they're always the ones who are trying to politicize the identity of others. How they're the ones talking about corruption, and yet they're rallying behind the most corrupt failed politician this country has ever seen. Etc etc.

Even that feels like a waste of time. No one cares about hypocrisy. Harris has three months and the slogan "We're not going back." Looking over your shoulder at your opponent = going back. The message should be 100% "If you elect us, we will do A through Z. And by the way, my opponent is a convicted criminal." That's all you need for three months, especially when you're gonna get at least two weeks' worth of pageantry and press pandering (the VP pick next week, the convention after that) and at least one week where your opponent is gonna be on his back foot (sentencing in September).

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:47 (one year ago)

Joe The Pikachu won’t like that.

bratwurst autumn (Eazy), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:47 (one year ago)

So this is the Hard Seltzer in that Vance pic(t): https://happydad.com/

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:52 (one year ago)

Hard seltzer: the drink for people who say the words ‘adult beverages’ out loud.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Friday, 2 August 2024 18:57 (one year ago)

i'm fine with them doing a *trump's greatest racist hits* ad in all 50 states and having that be the major response. "is this the person you want in the white house?" that kind of thing.

scott seward, Friday, 2 August 2024 19:01 (one year ago)

i would love it if the Harris campaign sponsored a youtube channel of young people hearing Trump quotes for the first time. play them rally soundbites with headphones on and get their responses. that would be funny AND eye-opening. you know they never listen to Trump. why would they? everyone loves a good reaction video.

scott seward, Friday, 2 August 2024 19:05 (one year ago)

Scott, you should email that idea to the campaign!

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 2 August 2024 19:07 (one year ago)


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