US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

Look, fat

"like to see Biden wriggle out of this one again"

I think even wriggling is beyond him these days.

he can probably do the worm

🚨 BOMBSHELL from @mikeallen + @JimVandeHei: Top Dems now believe Biden will exit

"Top Biden aides - including ones who initially urged him to fight on after the debate - are saying it's now when, not if, Biden announces he's not running."https://t.co/R45PhVPO5Q

— Jake Wilkins (@JakeWilkns) July 18, 2024

BOMBSHELL

What happened when you propose no rent

CNN just had one of those evil poll guys on. He said Harris could win, etc., etc., but the interesting line was him saying that what the Democrats need right now is a little luck, something they haven't had at all.

Weird--the party that hasn't just escaped an assassination attempt (which I guess is a form of luck itself if you look at it that way) is the one that needs some luck.

if only the election were in 2025, we could run Taylor Swift and win in a unanimous landslide and then have her immediately resign on inauguration day

Campaign theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg33QcvNcWA

Wonder what sort of COVID fever dreams Biden is having right now

more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzH-2NgtaZk

Meanwhile, this is good, regardless of whose campaign it ends up being used by.

Being raped by her own father, she found a thread of sanity with the words, "you have choices."

Now she's speaking out for the millions of women who no longer have choices because of the Republican Party's barbaric abortion bans. #Project2025WarOnWomen pic.twitter.com/LpZxpOFehQ

— Rachel Bitecofer 🗽💡🔭🦆 (@RachelBitecofer) July 18, 2024

hey Paul McCartney's another octogenarian who won't leave the world stage

Rough interview clip from Biden's interview with BET News tonight

"The secretary of defense- the black man" pic.twitter.com/CIuQDGx3g0

— umichvoter 🏳️‍🌈 (@umichvoter) July 18, 2024

…anyway

oh that's just the awkward racism he's been displaying his whole life

It took me a bit to realize that I'm disturbed not by Biden's flubs or lack of name recall but rather the fact that he doesn't seem to be aware that it even happened most of the time. Like, the sitting president accidentally calling a major figure on the world stage Pol Pot is a pretty big gaffe but failure to recognize and quickly correct the gaffe is redolent of something more troubling.

he does that defensive thing all the time now that people with dementia do when they lose the thread of their thought. "well, anyway..." "well, never mind, anyway..." instead of finishing the thought/sentence.

When Trump calls someone by the wrong name he acts like he's correct: "My running mate A.C. Vance. A.C. that's what some people call him. We call him that. Speaking of air conditioners..."

*indiana jones voice* top. dems.

Top Dems Seek Bottom

These leads obviously go down when you attach a specific name, but still...

PENNSYLVANIA
Younger Democrat 53% (+6)
Donald Trump 47%
.
WISCONSIN
Younger Democrat 54% (+8)
Donald Trump 46%

MICHIGAN
Younger Democrat 55% (+10)
Donald Trump 45%
.
NEVADA
Younger Democrat 54% (+8)
Donald Trump 46%
.
NORTH CAROLINA
Younger Democrat 51% (+2)
Donald Trump 49%
.… https://t.co/Pi2j93vaAb

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) July 18, 2024

Might just as well poll Trump vs Batman.

they're the same guy

Batman is actually slightly older than Biden (Bats was born in '39, Biden '41). Does keep in shape tho.

Now, look.

Here's the deal, folx - that’s number one here’s number two

Re: that poll... so it could be a sea lion (D) as long as he's under 80

The headline that just had to be.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gh3Nxjcj/isolated.jpg

it is truly joever

I've made no bones about the fact that I think Biden has gotten a bit of a raw deal, but it seems almost impossible to image him forging ahead with a campaign while reports circulate that the most prominent Dems (Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, now Obama) think he should get out.

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 18, 2024

rip big man

holy shit the increasingly isolated tables have turned

"Younger Democrat, you say?"

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/7y91es0rBB9ZfyH9Ji8TpA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTk2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/aol_gannett_aggregated_707/4788327a6c089b3210db6d8a558915cd

Been thinking about the famous story of Goldwater and a few others visiting Nixon to get him to resign. Not sure if it's all 100% accurate, but it seems more or less credible.

I think there are two, maybe three people who could do that with Biden (I do think Harris replacing him is the best course of action, whatever current polling says). Jill Biden is obviously one. Also, I think, Obama (or the Obamas together).

― clemenza, Friday, June 28, 2024 1:54 PM (two weeks ago)

One last domino to fall, except that one's not even necessary anymore.

If Biden wanted to stay in, he'd be impenetrable, thanks to liberal leaders and the Congressional Black Caucus. But his closest friends believe he's fought the good fight and will succumb to reality.

impenetrable

"succumb to reality" for August 2024 thread title plz

Please don’t penetrate Biden he’s fragile

when biden gets out of isolation he should take a helicopter to the white house, march up to the balcony for the tv cameras, rip off his mask like an anti-science action hero and pull a piece of paper out of his mouth with the name of the next democratic presidential candidate on there

lol

i was definitely not voting this time around but if they actually get him to drop out and they nominate harris i probably will. look i'm a bernie guy i'm just saying harris gives me some motivation. i live in a highly inconsequential state ftr.

P

If it's Harris a rouser of an acceptance speech listing their accomplishment would for sure lnocknthe lethargy outta me.

A living candidate with any energy whatsoever will do better and bring a lot of people out of the woodwork

lol @ jaymc's post

when you propose no rent

New Biden ad just dropped

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdclOT6FDOw6tELsZUSgi3b6enp8lN3TAtbQ&usqp=CAU

so is Andy Beshear the front-runner for VP if this happens?

Josh Marshall:

I hope the leaders have given some good thought to what Kamala Harris’ campaign will look like and how it will do. That’s not at all doubting how she’ll do. It’s just a reflection of the fact that this is a really big decision. But don’t assume that they have hidden knowledge that you or I don’t. This is fundamentally a guess that Harris will do better. An educated guess. But it’s still a leap into the unknown which sets aside a lot of really basic assumptions about how you win the presidency. And while I said I’m agnostic on who the candidate should be, I don’t think it can be anyone besides Joe Biden or Kamala Harris for reasons I’ve said before. I definitely think Harris can win. And I think there are various ways her selection can be a big shot in the arm for Democrats. The last three weeks of paralysis have been devastating and everyone wants to move past this. It won’t be the same campaign. There are slivers of the electorate that Biden has access to which I don’t think Harris does. But I think it goes the other way too. Harris can get to places Biden couldn’t. So it’s a different kind of campaign. It’s probably one where the southern tier states come a bit more into view and the blue wall states a touch less. There are lots of potential upsides and downsides. And everyone has to accept that range of possibilities and throw themselves into making it happen.

Final note. There are a lot of ordinary Democratic voters who are really pissed about the idea that Biden is getting forced out of the race. Anyone who doesn’t get that is totally, totally fooling themselves. And there are a lot of people fooling themselves. I’m pretty confident that is manageable if that happens. But it needs to be managed. The key thing is Biden embracing it and credibly embracing it. The other critical part is Kamala Harris being the next choice. And more generally it has to be done with a lot of smarts and grace to honor Biden’s presidency and not give anyone any sense that he’s being tossed aside or treated in an undignified way. We already had a primary process. Democratic voters chose Joe Biden. You only set that aside in the most extraordinary situations. And only Biden himself has the standing to do that and make it work and have Democrats accept it.

Beshear or Shapiro maybe?

Ben Shapiro? Bold choice.

I think Marshall's points are mostly sound, except I get irritated by anyone putting weight on "Democratic voters chose Biden" because come on. He's definitely right that there are some voters who will feel like it's all been an inside elite job — was just talking on FB with a woman I know who was like "I don't know ANYONE who thinks he should drop out, this is all being driven by corporate donors" etc etc.

So yeah, it's politically complex and there's plenty of reason to expect it wouldn't all be handled smoothly or gracefully, there's lots of opportunities to continue shooting themselves in the feet. And how Biden himself presented it would be pretty crucial. A lot of that has to do with everybody's ability to actually act like this is bigger than any one candidate, it's about presenting a compelling vision for the country to counter Trumpism, all of that.

We can't/shouldn't assume anything about how well any of it will go if they switch candidates. So it's just a matter of what assumptions anyone makes about what happens if they don't.

And if Biden says something like 'I'm just a phone call away, I'll be there to support (insert name) through the campaign and their time in office as much as I can', i.e. play the elder statesman/advisor role, that might allay some hesistantcy

BOMBSHELL

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 18, 2024 10:21 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Word to your moms, etc