US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

Alfred, my grandma who voted republican all her life voted for Obama in '08 because she thought Sarah Palin was "silly" (the worst thing she could say about someone) and was reassured of her inclination to Obama by his pick of Biden. One data point, I know.

Palin basically unlocked the doors that Trump barged through

yep

hard to forget Trump fuckin hosted SNL, like.....

Palin basically unlocked the doors that Trump barged through

With an assist to Gingrich in 2012.

did any other VPs have a porno made based on their likeness

just Mondale iirc

Elbridge Gerry

looks like you can still be convicted of corruption in this country

If you're a Democrat, sure.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:10 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

well, yeah. wonder if being a convicted felon will convince him to resign from the senate

“We need to understand what happened because clearly mistakes were made,” Vance told Fox News. “The Secret Service ran up there. They put their bodies over, and they reacted quickly. That’s not what worries me. What worries me is why was there a shooter 150 yards from the president of the United States?”

mistakes were made

ah yes, the passive tense

“I mean, that could have been me!”

"I want to ensure that when I order President Trump assassinated next year he stays dead. I mean uh"

Hearing about a bigger plot against Trump involving Flock of Seagulls?

I don't know. Iran is too far away.

"as in, it might not just be beneficial for Biden, it might allow the party to easily replace him without it becoming a chaotic open convention"

i mentioned this before on this thread and i'm gonna do it again. i heard someone who sounded like they knew say that once a candidate is nominated they can bow out and the DNC can pick the person to replace them. so, it makes sense to have biden nominated before the convention. because then he can bow out and the convention will be about...kamala. or whoever they pick to take biden's place. but it wouldn't be an open convention. though i suppose the delegates could make noise if they don't like who the dnc chooses. but it would almost certainly be kamala.

Not to throw cold water on a pleasant fantasy, but Biden has made abundantly clear that he’s going to lose this thing himself, he doesn’t want anyone else to get the runner-up cup.

Meanwhile … we did it! Headline on NYT right now:

Biden Circle Shrinks as Democrats Fear Election Wipeout

President Biden, increasingly isolated during the biggest political crisis of his presidency, is in a historic standoff with his party.

https://www.differenttruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Are-We-Becoming-More-and-More-Isolated-1.jpg

touched by Tipsy's faith in a politician keeping his word

lol

we're deeply divided on the question, lest we become increasingly isolated

I really, really hope the Democrats don't waste their time quoting what Vance said about Trump in the Before Times. "You used to talk shit about that guy, and now you gargle his balls" will not change one single vote. "You want a total abortion ban and you don't think there should be any rape or incest exceptions" is a motivator. Focus on that.

I agree. The Trump-is-Hitler stuff makes him seem undercover sane.

It's only useful for making him seem (accurately) like a con-man who'll tell his audience of the moment whatever they want to hear but if someone's contemplating a Trump vote that's hardly a dealbreaker.

I know Republicans who dropped McCain after he picked Palin. That's all I got.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 16, 2024

Another data point: My mom (lifelong Orange County Republican, an usher at Nixon's funeral, etc.) was so put off by Palin that she stopped voting. Within minutes after the 2008 election was called for Obama, she said that if the GOP had nominated Trump they would have won.

In view of the last three weeks, Democrats trying a "But you said this about your nominee" (even if your running mate also) strategy wouldn't seem like the smartest move.

In view of the last three weeks, Democrats trying a "But you said this about your nominee" (even if your running mate also) strategy wouldn't seem like the smartest move.

It never works. It's loser shit.

Harris's most effective moment was roasting Biden over busing and palling around with segregationists and absolutely no one batted an eye when she joined the ticket.

The nu-GOP is all about throwing your putative allies under the bus whenever expedience dictates. Vance just preemptively did to Trump what Trump will inevitably do back to him at some point. Loyalty and consistency are for beta cucks. It's a feature, not a bug.

yeah, Trump will be the distant and disappointed dad that Vance can never please, no matter how he tries

“I want to do small doses,” Mr. Trump said, before observing that the practice of giving multiple vaccinations at once means the shot “looks like it’s meant for a horse, not uh, you know, a 10-pound or 20-pound baby.”

Dr. Trump knows his shit

The Vance anti-Trump stuff is low-hanging fruit, of course Dems are going to recirculate it. Probably doesn't matter at all, but if your opponent's VP has literally called them Hitler before, you're not going to leave it alone.

I don't expect the Democrats to do anything interesting or exciting at their convention, but if they do have some big surprise switcheroo in them I will doff any cap around just for the gumption of trying something. Even if they did it and lost, it would feel less simply-walking-into-Mordor.

I mean, there's old video of ex-Democrat Trump endorsing Hillary (quite articulately, as I recall). And how much of an impact did that make, on anyone. I useta think gotcha shit like that mattered but I'm much more realistic about the human brain's capacity for compartmentalization in the face of glaring cognitive dissonance now.

Candidate Kamala Harris called Joe Biden an old racist on the debate stage and then became his VP; there’s literally nothing to be gained from the low-hanging fruit

I agree the Dems probably shouldn't touch this still it's infuriating that the GOP have spent the last few days going on TV blaming the Dems for the assassination attempt because they call him a fascist while choosing a VP who literally called him Hitler

Lemme put it this way — if you're working for a presidential campaign and your opponent picks a veep who called him Hitler, there is no way in a hundred thousand years that you don't pump it out on social media. It's what campaigns do. Even if you know it's not going to sway a single vote, you do it. It's not something you debate or worry about.

This makes sense:

Something under appreciated in discussions of Vance and his ilk is the degree to which, yes, his ideological transformation is opportunistic, but also I think he and huge swaths of the modern right really have self-radicalized largely online and are constantly imbibing all kinds…

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) July 16, 2024

Also, Biden did an interview with Complex and they didn't do a fit check?!

https://twitter. Com
/TheKevinDalton/status/1813325997548445706

Biden set to announce support for major Supreme Court changes

President Biden is finalizing plans to endorse major changes to the Supreme Court in the coming weeks, including proposals for legislation to establish term limits for the justices and an enforceable ethics code, according to two people briefed on the plans.

He is also weighing whether to call for a constitutional amendment to eliminate broad immunity for presidents and other constitutional officeholders, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.

The announcement would mark a major shift for Biden, a former chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has long resisted calls to reform the high court. The potential changes come in response to growing outrage among his supporters about recent ethics scandals surrounding Justice Clarence Thomas and decisions by the new court majority that have changed legal precedent on issues including abortion and federal regulatory powers.

Biden previewed the shift in a Zoom call Saturday with the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

“I’m going to need your help on the Supreme Court, because I’m about to come out — I don’t want to prematurely announce it — but I’m about to come out with a major initiative on limiting the court. … I’ve been working with constitutional scholars for the last three months, and I need some help,” Biden said, according to a transcript of the call obtained by The Washington Post.

Many, if not all, of the changes would probably need congressional approval. The details of Biden’s considered policies have not been disclosed. A White House spokesperson declined to comment.

Hell, why not. Do it all, do it up!

biden seems ready to run on good popular policies, he said today that hes going to cap rent increases, not gonna complain but pretty funny that it has to get to this point

"and by 'term limit' i mean the detonator attached to the shock collar around Alito and Thoma's necks right now muahahahaahhaa" *twirls mustache*

Biden will never win the vibes battle but yes I do think pushing a lot of broadly popular ideas is a great idea, and should hopefully remind people that the Republican party offers virtually nothing but revenge fantasies

Yeah, get important popular things on the table and then Dems should keep pushing them even if Trump wins. Talk about low-hanging fruit. Right now I don't think most people can even say what Democrats actually want to do apart from beating Trump. (And even that is kind of iffy.)

the one thing thats already a huge established winner and actual very important issue for them recently is abortion which im sure theyll go very hard on

Biden's going to announce a weed subsidy for everyone under 45 to get them to the polls.

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