US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

lol apparently the Trump campaign thinks Vance will appeal to suburban women 'cause his life was in the moving pictures. That's how little they think of women.

Fuck Gaspar Gomez and fuck the Diaz Brothers

Teamsters holding up their reputation as the most corrupt union. The Trump Admin will do to them what Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers Union (who endorsed Reagan!)

looks like you can still be convicted of corruption in this country

If you're a Democrat, sure.

O’Brien gives us the roadmap to go even further in 2025. And we should. I have stood on the picket line with the UAW and the Teamsters—all Republicans should do it. I voted to stop Amazon’s labor exploitation, give more sick days to rail workers, and worked across the aisle to limit bank-executive pay. Republicans can begin there. But if given power, we should embrace even more. Let’s cap credit-card interest rates, take the fight to Big Pharma, end exploitative forced labor, and rid politics of corporate money once and for all.

O'Brien is a rube if he thinks Josh Hawley, the Republican Party, and their donors are going to do any of these things.

The Democratic Party's loosening and then shunning unions beginning in the Carter years and continuing through the heady days of Clinton's DLC is the most mortal sin it's committed: a full renunciation of the New Deal.

But Biden's support for unions has been imo one of his top three strengths. I joined our faculty union in February and one of the first things their leftist comm chair told me was that "thanks to this NLRB" we're in the strongest negotiating position in years.

Republicans (pretend) adopting the Paul Wellstone platform is a bizarre turn in politics

and rid politics of corporate money once and for all

ha! I just spit tea all over my lap

never forget

https://i.imgur.com/P6SDBIM.jpg

lol apparently the Trump campaign thinks Vance will appeal to suburban women 'cause his life was in the moving pictures. That's how little they think of women.

― Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland)

my mom was really into that book. i mean she's not gonna vote for trump but she really was into that book.

most people _aren't really politically informed_ and if there's a popular motion picture about your vice presidential candidate, that's going to _help_. if someone looks at him and is like "oh, that's the hillbilly elegy guy! i loved that book/movie/whatever", that doesn't make that person _stupid_.

but also i don't know anybody whose decision on who to vote for has been changed by who they pick as their vice presidential candidate. i could be wrong on this, but the feeling i get is that it's not as important as the media makes it out to be.

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also i know it's the angle but that dude's chest gives me real "six months on estrogen" vibes

Probably the first time we've had a Veep pick with a movie made about them since Al Gore's "Love Story"

I know Republicans who dropped McCain after he picked Palin. That's all I got.

A statistically significant number of Republican voters will hate Vance once they discover he has a non-white wife. That won't stop them from voting for Trump, though.

CNBC is in mourning over the JD Vance pick. Here's an epic rant by Joe Kernen at conservative populist @oren_cass. pic.twitter.com/AYMXqHyq5X

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) July 16, 2024

Some of them are already working on new forms of race science to cover that. She's got a very white skull shape etc.

I know Republicans who dropped McCain after he picked Palin. That's all I got.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

yeah it's hard to say for sure because veep picks are _so far out_ from the election

i mean that was before "joe the plumber", right? and then there was "joe the plumber" but what i remember most - as someone who was an obama mark from the beginning - was watching mccain flail around desperately when the housing market crashed. and i decided "oh, 'maverick' means that he has no fucking idea what he's doing and is making it up as he goes along, maybe that is not a good thing".

palin probably made _some_ difference. so much happens in a campaign, though. trump running against an empty suit probably makes more difference than vance.

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funny thought, you know what all this talk about biden reminds me of? the way people talked about nixon in july 1974. i mean i wasn't around for that, of course, but i'm kind of a history nerd and i love primary sources. and there was all this _negotiation_, under what conditions will nixon step down. there was this feeling of inevitability, that whatever happened, after the smoking gun tape came out, nixon was toast.

maybe biden isn't toast. history, you know, a lot of different things happen. i just get a very nixon-july-74 _vibe_ from him.

Alfred, my grandma who voted republican all her life voted for Obama in '08 because she thought Sarah Palin was "silly" (the worst thing she could say about someone) and was reassured of her inclination to Obama by his pick of Biden. One data point, I know.

Palin basically unlocked the doors that Trump barged through

yep

hard to forget Trump fuckin hosted SNL, like.....

Palin basically unlocked the doors that Trump barged through

With an assist to Gingrich in 2012.

did any other VPs have a porno made based on their likeness

just Mondale iirc

Elbridge Gerry

looks like you can still be convicted of corruption in this country

If you're a Democrat, sure.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:10 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

well, yeah. wonder if being a convicted felon will convince him to resign from the senate

“We need to understand what happened because clearly mistakes were made,” Vance told Fox News. “The Secret Service ran up there. They put their bodies over, and they reacted quickly. That’s not what worries me. What worries me is why was there a shooter 150 yards from the president of the United States?”

mistakes were made

ah yes, the passive tense

“I mean, that could have been me!”

"I want to ensure that when I order President Trump assassinated next year he stays dead. I mean uh"

Hearing about a bigger plot against Trump involving Flock of Seagulls?

I don't know. Iran is too far away.

"as in, it might not just be beneficial for Biden, it might allow the party to easily replace him without it becoming a chaotic open convention"

i mentioned this before on this thread and i'm gonna do it again. i heard someone who sounded like they knew say that once a candidate is nominated they can bow out and the DNC can pick the person to replace them. so, it makes sense to have biden nominated before the convention. because then he can bow out and the convention will be about...kamala. or whoever they pick to take biden's place. but it wouldn't be an open convention. though i suppose the delegates could make noise if they don't like who the dnc chooses. but it would almost certainly be kamala.

Not to throw cold water on a pleasant fantasy, but Biden has made abundantly clear that he’s going to lose this thing himself, he doesn’t want anyone else to get the runner-up cup.

Meanwhile … we did it! Headline on NYT right now:

Biden Circle Shrinks as Democrats Fear Election Wipeout

President Biden, increasingly isolated during the biggest political crisis of his presidency, is in a historic standoff with his party.

https://www.differenttruths.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Are-We-Becoming-More-and-More-Isolated-1.jpg

touched by Tipsy's faith in a politician keeping his word

lol

we're deeply divided on the question, lest we become increasingly isolated

I really, really hope the Democrats don't waste their time quoting what Vance said about Trump in the Before Times. "You used to talk shit about that guy, and now you gargle his balls" will not change one single vote. "You want a total abortion ban and you don't think there should be any rape or incest exceptions" is a motivator. Focus on that.

I agree. The Trump-is-Hitler stuff makes him seem undercover sane.

It's only useful for making him seem (accurately) like a con-man who'll tell his audience of the moment whatever they want to hear but if someone's contemplating a Trump vote that's hardly a dealbreaker.

I know Republicans who dropped McCain after he picked Palin. That's all I got.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 16, 2024

Another data point: My mom (lifelong Orange County Republican, an usher at Nixon's funeral, etc.) was so put off by Palin that she stopped voting. Within minutes after the 2008 election was called for Obama, she said that if the GOP had nominated Trump they would have won.

In view of the last three weeks, Democrats trying a "But you said this about your nominee" (even if your running mate also) strategy wouldn't seem like the smartest move.

In view of the last three weeks, Democrats trying a "But you said this about your nominee" (even if your running mate also) strategy wouldn't seem like the smartest move.

It never works. It's loser shit.

Harris's most effective moment was roasting Biden over busing and palling around with segregationists and absolutely no one batted an eye when she joined the ticket.

The nu-GOP is all about throwing your putative allies under the bus whenever expedience dictates. Vance just preemptively did to Trump what Trump will inevitably do back to him at some point. Loyalty and consistency are for beta cucks. It's a feature, not a bug.

yeah, Trump will be the distant and disappointed dad that Vance can never please, no matter how he tries

“I want to do small doses,” Mr. Trump said, before observing that the practice of giving multiple vaccinations at once means the shot “looks like it’s meant for a horse, not uh, you know, a 10-pound or 20-pound baby.”

Dr. Trump knows his shit

The Vance anti-Trump stuff is low-hanging fruit, of course Dems are going to recirculate it. Probably doesn't matter at all, but if your opponent's VP has literally called them Hitler before, you're not going to leave it alone.

I don't expect the Democrats to do anything interesting or exciting at their convention, but if they do have some big surprise switcheroo in them I will doff any cap around just for the gumption of trying something. Even if they did it and lost, it would feel less simply-walking-into-Mordor.