US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

cool predictions, bro, it's wild how the Canadians know our country better than we do

maybe in a month or so you might have something to cite in your favor, it could happen!

lol, literally just more cope

I do think we'll see things like calling references to Project 2025 "hate speech" and that kinda stuff. Which was already somewhat happening, this will mostly amplify a lot of things that were happening or would happen anyway.

"somebody tried to shoot him. he's got my vote now though he didn't before"?

as to it changing minds, ok. but what if there is no mind to speak of? yeah i totally think it could persuade someone who’s apolitical and an actual dolt from “theyre all the same eeny-meeny” to “oh trump has that fire.”

not that likely perhaps?

more likely it moves several or tens of thousands of pro-trump non-voters into “fuck yeah ima show up for him” trump voters imo.

yet another uninformed canadian opinion

I certainly know many people (and am related to some of them) who claim to be independent, will weigh each candidate's stance on various important issues and vote for the most qualified yada yada yada. And of course they've never once voted for a Democrat.

sarah kenzior just popped up on my twitter feed for the first time in years. things are about to get good

I do think we'll see things like calling references to Project 2025 "hate speech" and that kinda stuff. Which was already somewhat happening, this will mostly amplify a lot of things that were happening or would happen anyway.

dude you wld always say that tho u need a diff angle here

actually no i don’t. calling Project 2025 what it is and refusing to stop associating it with Trump and his fascist minions is about the only thing the Dems have been doing right this election cycle. fascists don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt— they deserve to be called out and shamed

like, the smartest thing a politician could have tweeted yesterday evening was “Political violence is never acceptable, which is why we must reject Donald Trump’s dark and violent vision for America”

let the MAGAts cry.

I don't think they'll stop hammering on Project 2025, but I do think that's going to become one of the GOP responses (it's a little juicier than the "I don't know her" line they've been taking). Plus also to every single bad thing they say about Trump, it's all "encouraging violence." My Trump-buddy county mayor is already out there tweeting every time he can find that some media outlet compared Trump to Hitler and saying, THIS IS WHAT CAUSED THIS.

more likely it moves several or tens of thousands of pro-trump non-voters into “fuck yeah ima show up for him” trump voters imo.

I read recently that the majority of Jan 6 protestors didn't actually vote in the election itself, which I thought interesting in and of itself

i do v much respect these responses! Xp

well i am about to get some hats printed that say “Hinckley Had a Vision,” anyone want one

lol, literally just more cope

2024 will be the hottest year ever globally, I think we can confidently predict that

November is definitely not a foregone conclusion, so much so quickly and this happening in July and not early October is a big difference. I do agree with table on often feeling like the Democrats deserve to lose, not because I want them to but because the way they strategize and play the political game is so fearful and half-assed and without the courage of their supposed convictions. And moving forward with what they think is the safe choice but is clearly the weakened position.

*so much has happened so quickly

lol yeah yesterday we were talking about the election and it turns out we didn't even know what was going to happen yesterday.

Trump’s Bleedin Ear doesn’t have to sway millions of voters. A handful of voters in a few states are all that matters, a few thousand more Biden voters beset by hopelessness stay home, etc.

Joe is cooked anyway so in the end I’d call this irrelevant but confidently shouting that every undecided voter hates Trump and there can be no further movement in his direction is sticking your head in the sand. We already lived through an election where both candidates were widely despised and Trump won that one.

still can’t get over the fact that aaron rupar skipped the trump rally last night because he was running a few minutes late and wanted to go to an earth, wind, and fire concert with his mom. I mean that’s objectively funny

better choice

what can I say? he's a shining star

Plus also to every single bad thing they say about Trump, it's all "encouraging violence." My Trump-buddy county mayor is already out there tweeting every time he can find that some media outlet compared Trump to Hitler and saying, THIS IS WHAT CAUSED THIS.

― Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 14 July 2024 18:38 (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

as well as potentially making the democrats more cautious in attacking Trump, all the major dem figures have had to make respectful statements where they talk about how glad they are that President Trump is unharmed and how they wish him the best, it feels like the tone of that could make some difference, make Trump seem more like a 'normal' politician to swing voters, runs against dem attempts to represent him as beyond the pale?

(not that I think it will change most people's opinion of him, but it's this small number of swing voters who are actually going to decide the election, no?)

i actually think the image of the fist bump is going to redefine his legacy and all but erase his decades of criminalty, misogyny, racism, and self-serving mendacity in the minds of a huge swath of the public. i am not a cynic but images are powerful.

"does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"?"

i think there are people who voted for him in 2016 and then got tired of him and maybe didn't bother voting for him in 2020 who might decide after this...to vote for him again. there were definitely people who got turned off by the january 6th thing and this bullet might actually "trump" that event and make anti-Trump Republicans get in his corner again.

“My Trump-buddy county mayor is already out there tweeting every time he can find that some media outlet compared Trump to Hitler and saying, THIS IS WHAT CAUSED THIS.”

It’s going to be awkward when Trump picks a running mate who compared him to Hitler

I think that's plausible. xpost to scott

i think all the negative trump stuff is going to be memory-holed. even on the nytimes and washington post they will be critical but not in the way they were before.

I think absent any empirical evidence or reasonable historical precedent it’s silly to speculate with any sort of certainty what the effects will be on the race. BUT it just seems overwhelmingly plausible that there are many more paths that favor trump than biden, and we’re already seeing some of the evidence of why, most importantly that it’s probably going to cause biden and the dems to pull their punches. things could always change though

the smart response by Democrats instead of being pathetic soft-serve pearl-clutching is, like tabes correctly said above, avoiding all of that shitty rhetoric and pointing out that Trump's words and actions are literal violence, as well as his own party, and that they created the culture and atmosphere that nearly took him out.

stop fucking apologizing or bloviating and say you're so obsessed with guns and death that you literally did this to yourself by the hands of one of your own, and we don't feel fuckin sorry for you.

instead of, idk, pretending this happened in a vacuum, that there wasn't one side stoking the flames. one of our own Representatives almost got plugged a little over a decade ago and was permanently changed as a result. it had the same roots.

I don't think the "Biden's rhetoric is too hot" line of attack will stick

turning his head to look at a huge t.v. probably saved his life. how apt! #jumbotron4lyfe

"What happened to former president Trump is deplorable, and it's a result of encouraging an armed insurrection and saying for years that he's going to jail his opponents."

xpost agree, they'll try it but idk how much it succeeds long run. overall, I feel - if the idea that a Presidential candidate's alleged inflammatory rhetoric finally moves the needle, vote-wise, and the President in question is Biden, well that tells you that we never had a chance to begin with.

the candidate who implored people to rough up protesters at his rallies before he was even President and did a photo op with his Gestapo beating them up on national TV never getting held to account vs a senile candidate saying something that could be twisted to look like violence if you squint at it like one of those magic paintings.

Trump’s Bleedin Ear doesn’t have to sway millions of voters. A handful of voters in a few states are all that matters, a few thousand more Biden voters beset by hopelessness stay home, etc.

Joe is cooked anyway so in the end I’d call this irrelevant but confidently shouting that every undecided voter hates Trump and there can be no further movement in his direction is sticking your head in the sand. We already lived through an election where both candidates were widely despised and Trump won that one.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:02 PM bookmarkflaglink

the point is that Biden is losing the election just fine on his own and we don't need to go bloviating that now this one thing is the thing that will lose him the election, he's already losing it. it doesn't help, but like...if we don't solve the obvious problem re: our candidate, none of it matters anyway.

Whole lotta people in this thread convinced that everyone else — not them, surely, but, you know, those other people — have the memories of goldfish. "Ooh, he made a fist like a Big Strong Daddy!" *eyeballs turn to pumping red cartoon hearts*

no, its true. we all love trump now.

Bet the RNC will be pandemonium as 6000 MAGAs shout for the head of Joe Biden on a pike, which I hope will mitigate the effect of this oleaginous sympathy porn.

i did think about what would have happened if he actually had been shot to death...i just thought of The Purge. the pick-up trucks revving up and going to town on "enemies". maybe i'm wrong. but i could see a lot of pro-Trump militias popping up if someone were to actually kill him. the ultimate dumb-ass martyr. so, in a way, i'm glad he didn't die.

today, we are all donald trump

it's funny like that even in the growing toxic, volatile politic environment of 2004, this might have lead to events being cancelled last night, televised Presidential address, dramatic calls for unity that last for two days like 9/11, but it happens last night and other than the firestorm o internet commentary, the world just kinda glides along as normal, my friends and I just went about watching our soccer game and lamenting the dude's poor aim, and everybody still hates each other.

i'm kinda glad we're not doing the performative unity anymore, like politicians are calling for it but nobody's complying. that shit was faker than fake and just papered over the real divisions that exist.

*televised Presidential address on every channel

Whole lotta people in this thread convinced that everyone else — not them, surely, but, you know, those other people — have the memories of goldfish. "Ooh, he made a fist like a Big Strong Daddy!" *eyeballs turn to pumping red cartoon hearts*

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, July 14, 2024 11:30 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

dude all your posts are about how everyone is a moron, has your opinion of the average undecided voter suddenly improved?

Bolsonaro got injured much worse than Trump and it was probably a very painful stabbing, from what I've read there was a brief polling surge for him and then there wasn't. Trump looks quite pathetic and vulnerable in the pics where he isn't *defiantly* holding up his fist (which is fine for a normal human being but not for someone like him). He has barely been touched in this incident, after the dust settles people will realise he's just a very lucky sissy who's milking it!

I’ve been too busy/distracted to read this thread since Saturday morning, so probably have some catching up to do