US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

We're forgetting that Trump is a coward and he wouldn't trust anyone (with good reason) to aim at his head for the sake of a fake hit job

yeah that crazy bullet photo put to rest any idle "did he pull a bob roberts?" thoughts I had

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People other than Trump got shot, this was a real shooter really trying to kill him. The conspiracy stuff is mostly going to be about why, "who was behind it," etc.

It's so gross to hear Republican talking heads somberly blaming the "state of American politics" for this, as if the shooter was radicalized by hearing Biden say that Trump slept with a porn star and no bad things can ever be said about trump ever again.

We're forgetting that Trump is a coward and he wouldn't trust anyone (with good reason) to aim at his head for the sake of a fake hit job

I'm not suggesting he was "in on it", or that there was an "it" to be in on, just that I think he won't be negatively affected, and that on balance he'll be he'll be happy with what transpired (as long as he's not physically hurt in some way)

Where were you when Trump got nicked on the ear?

if i have to fall into speculation here an already very paranoid person having an attempt on their life is prob not going to be the best for their mental wellbeing, prob be the only thing he talks about the rest of the way which ultimately is not that good of a campaign issue, he already does a lot of whining about his various travails, if the democrats werent running a senile genocider hed prob be down big due to that sort of thing and you know the other things too

Next attempt just drop an anvil on his head

...as he handles a vibrator, ala that Katy Perry video.

Its too early to tell but I think surviving an assassination attempt can't be a campaign negative (though there are probably examples to the contrary I can't think of any offhand)

When he's rolling tanks down our streets, I'll enjoy listening to libs saying that though this is bad, it would have been worse if the shooter had killed him because violence is always wrong

Maybe it causes him PTSD and finally wears out his diseased heart

I'm fine with liberal pundits saying violence bad. It's spin, it gets people on their side, even if it's stupid.

does it get people on their side, they seem like beggin ass weenies to me

Its too early to tell but I think surviving an assassination attempt can't be a campaign negative (though there are probably examples to the contrary I can't think of any offhand)

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if it makes Trump get increasingly fashy it might be but who knows, feels like we're pretty fucked

He probably shit himself last night, if someone gets those pants to TMZ, it's over

there are going to be huge banners at that convention that are just pictures of his bloody fist-pumping melon head. they're going to try and make it a stamp and put it on the hundred dollar bill when he's president next year.

i thought the official MAGA stance was that pedos deserve to get shot

Its too early to tell but I think surviving an assassination attempt can't be a campaign negative (though there are probably examples to the contrary I can't think of any offhand)

The two attempts on Ford were September 5 and 22, 1975. He lost, but I don't know how that figured into the timeline of the election--he did mount a comeback towards the end.

Here, no idea, there are so many things to factor in, and it's right between two bizarre weeks and the RNC. Makes me think of Andy Warhol's reaction to the JFK assassination as described in the PBS documentary: he returns home, sits on a couch, and keeps repeating "What does this mean?"

No no no, that's only their definition of pedos, which means anyone who isn't straight or cis

they're going to try and make it a stamp and put it on the hundred dollar bill when he's president next year.

It's gonna be a statue installed next to the Washington Monument.

400 feet high!

stuff like this is really helpful:

Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.) posted to X that “Joe Biden sent the orders,” garnering over 4 million views, and later called for Biden to face charges for “inciting an assassination.”

Maybe this finally gets RFK Jr to drop out

It sure is funny that this happens a week after everyone jokes that Biden should use his newfound unlimited powers for good.

Obv he didn't but y'know

maybe it gets the other Kennedy goober in Louisiana to resign

dare i say it but was it the day he truly became presidential

at least for once with Trump we don't have to say that something is "unprecedented". total precedent!

feel like I'm losing my mind. does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"? can you imagine yourself in that mindset, about any candidate, anywhere -- "somebody tried to shoot him. he's got my vote now though he didn't before"?

he'll be able to raise more money off this, no question. that's it. he'll spend that money on legal fees. "this helps his campaign" is not a factor with a candidate like Trump, who does not win over undecideds with or without a bad marksman coming for him.

JCLC otm

Even if this was a false flag (which it wasn't), that would mean they are already thinking they will lose

Both post-shooting statements from Trump have been pretty nonaggressive. I get the sense that following the debate and now especially after this he is trying to hold back on the donaldisms and rather float on Bidens troubles and his own relative image of strength. That also keeps attention away from the trials and other stuff he struggles with. Meanwhile his proxies can beat on Biden and the democrats. Worried it might work. Hopefully he reverts to type.

feel like I'm losing my mind. does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"? can you imagine yourself in that mindset, about any candidate, anywhere -- "somebody tried to shoot him. he's got my vote now though he didn't before"?

I've been repeating a version of this the last 12 hours to my pants-wetting friends.

I think at the margins it gives a little oomph to running a law and order campaign. Which is always part of the fascist appeal, right? Not a huge impact, but in the same way that we saw Biden‘s debate performance not having a huge impact, I think marginal effects are actually important. Because the election is going to be so marginal anyway.

Also, who the hell knows, we are in crazy territory already and we haven’t even gotten to the conventions yet.

we are in crazy territory already and we haven’t even gotten to the conventions yet.

too true

who knows, someone might try again

The Attempted Assassination of Donald J. Trump Considered as a Race to the Bottom

I would have thought saying "Look at me I survived being shot then look at this doddery old wreck I'm running against" will sway some undecided voters.

I really doubt it, honestly, those people were voting for RFK anyway

I remember people saying that he had faked getting Covid and that he'd win in 2020 from the sympathy bump, which did not make a ton of sense.

I think the biggest immediate effect is a super fired up GOP nominating convention. Which in general never hurts, although it's possible they'll say so much crazy violent shit that it will backfire.

feel like I'm losing my mind. does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"? can you imagine yourself in that mindset, about any candidate, anywhere -- "somebody tried to shoot him. he's got my vote now though he didn't before"?

This is exactly right. I know there are a lot of people in this thread who have "everything is good for Donald Trump" brainworms, but come the fuck on.

Security at the convention is going to be very Robocop

does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"?

yes, many such people exist. particularly the fist bump photo

feel like I'm losing my mind. does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"?

Good question! I think all events change calculations to some degree, the question is by how much, which is more difficult to measure. I think the group this might possible effect isn't necessarily those that weren't going to vote Trump previously - its more likely to be those that are generally either in Trumps camp or adjacent but weren't necessarily going to vote when the day came, that they may be more likely to - ie they may vote harder

if it happened 2 weeks before the election I'd absolutely think this would be the deciding factor but so much crazy shit is gonna happen in the next 14 weeks

"he'll be able to raise more money off this"

tiny bloodied fragments of ear, an ideal gift for your kids and grandkids

yes, many such people exist. particularly the fist bump photo

citation needed for “many”

"feel like I'm losing my mind. does anybody actually believe somebody who wasn't going to vote for Donald Trump will see that somebody tried to shoot him and then say "oh -- well that changes the calculus for me. Now, I'm certainly going to vote for Donald Trump"? can you imagine yourself in that mindset, about any candidate, anywhere -- "somebody tried to shoot him. he's got my vote now though he didn't before"?"

This is about undecideds. Does anyone really know what sways one undecided voter to the next? They are kinda fucked up people...

...but I'm looking at one corner and I see one nearly dead guy whereas that one in the red corner is alive and kicking...

Flopson do you know such people in real life? Genuinely curious.