US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

"not bloodthirsty Zionists"

wait is this one of those tiki torch blood libel things? if so stop i don't like it. take it to the palestine thread that i avoid. i like coming here. you can hate israel without using terms like that.

I mean, what other term do you want to use? Ethnic cleansing to build more houses? That satisfy you? Ugh.

Americans are bloodthirsty as well, which their “misadventures” post-9/11 demonstrate. You’re grasping at straws

"bloodthirsty" and the blood libel are definitely adjacent enough to avoid imo

but scott, you can hate white supremacists without saying "tiki." I don't think the Māori deserve that!

The CNN gag is part of a little meme offensive from go-Joe folks trying to argue that standards for his cognitive sharpness are absurdly high and hey, he’s actually fine.

Which to me is silly because, like, I watch him and clearly see an elderly man working hard to put together thoughts and sentences. For people who don’t see that, there’s no way to make them obv.

A NY Times link, so apologies:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/12/opinion/biden-trump-electoral-map-outlook.html

I like how Rep. Brittany Pettersen is part of the Problem Solvers Caucus. Getting Biden to step down is a problem that needs to be addressed

belonging to that caucus gives her centrist/moderate cred

Really? I thought she and her husband were both progressives

God as my witness, I thought Heather Cox Richardson was Wonkette

"You’re grasping at straws"

i'll bet you a million dollars that you have never written "bloodthirsty russians" on this board. its just a term that i definitely see people use when talking about israel/zionism/jews in a way that they never use for any other country. so it makes me nervous. that's all. hate all you want. just be aware of, like, history.

We've been over this on other threads but to some of us the using the word Zionist as an insult makes you sound like a Turner Diaries aficionado.

Israel has continually elected (democratically) the people pursuing genocide, is that true of Russia?

I can't deal with Heather Cox Richardson's seventy paragraph essays

Julian Castro has thoughts

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/articles/julian-castro-on-the-biden-problem-and-what-the-democratic-party-got-wrong-ep

Listening to Biden in Michigan right now. He just talks in circles. A friend and I have been noticing how many times he re-directs himself with "anyway."

he keeps walking in circles! he's so close to everyone.

i wonder what he smells like. he's like two inches from these people. uh oh he touched someone, careful...

He's said "anyway" twice since I posted.

that we’re still tone policing use of the word Zionist while the Zionist entity has murdered nearly 200,000 human beings is completely absurd

There are good Zionist on both sides

“Fine people on both sides.”

Ok, I’ll make it easier. Fuck America, Russia, and Israel. There. Zionism is shit and always will be. The idea that any nation is destined to survive is inherently arrogant and stupid

an ex-gf texted me something like 'the zionists control everything!' and I was like whoa, cool it there proudboy... I get what she's saying but the language is still problematic

she's not talking to me now

he's so close to everyone

Don't stand

Don't stand Joe

Don't stand Joe close to me

bringing it baxk to the thread, i will note that while i am horrified by so many people waving away our president’s support for an obvious genocide, i was equally horrified to watch a NYT video about Arab American voters in Michigan basically saying that they will do anything to defeat Biden…even vote for Trump. which… i may withhold my vote for the Dem nominee but there is no fucking way in hell I would vote for Trump, especially if I cared about Palestine. the binaristic element shown in some understandings of this issue completely blow my mind. like, you’re angry at Biden for supporting Israel, so am I. so you’re going to vote for the guy who does Adelson’s bidding and instituted the Muslim ban? that’s some thickly idiotic reasoning, I gotta say

As I mentioned in last month's thread I'll vote for him because he actually respects the constitution. The bar isn't high, but the table stakes are literally fascism and voting rights. Keeping Project 2025 is entirely what my vote for Biden (if it sadly ends up being him) is for, and that supercedes everything else, including all foreign policy and the terrible immigration policy of late.

I'm taking P25 seriously and wish more people would too. Rule of law is a low bar, but it's either that or let's just go full accelerationism and tear up the Constitution and start over?

Keeping Project 2025 out of the federal government is what I meant to say. The implications of this initiative are far more aggressive than anything we've seen in our lifetimes and will affect blue states rights to things like abortion.

not to mention possibly even more SCOTUS picks

Anyway

^^^

August thread title

A takedown of Heather Cox Richardson:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/07/biden-step-down-history-heather-cox-richardson.html

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, July 12, 2024 11:50 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

solid piece. when I called her the eric fiegl-ding of historians, this is basically what I meant. though honestly I was probably being a little too generous to EFD, who I think even normies figured out was a clown pretty quickly. eric topol or ashish jha would be more accurate maybe

Apparently Biden will be giving a speech in Detroit in which he's going to focus on Project 2025. And tomorrow, we'll get 50 more stories about anonymous Democrat hacks and shitheads in Congress nobody's ever heard of, for good reason, saying he should step down without saying that Harris should be the nominee.

lol

The fact that I've never heard of most of the congressional Dems coming out against him makes me question if they're speaking out to get their names in the press more than they're actually concerned about defeating trump.

if they are in any way typical House reps, they care >>>>>>> more about winning their district than getting the national media attention for half a minute

jim himes is on tv all the time

bringing it baxk to the thread, i will note that while i am horrified by so many people waving away our president’s support for an obvious genocide, i was equally horrified to watch a NYT video about Arab American voters in Michigan basically saying that they will do anything to defeat Biden…even vote for Trump. which… i may withhold my vote for the Dem nominee but there is no fucking way in hell I would vote for Trump, especially if I cared about Palestine. the binaristic element shown in some understandings of this issue completely blow my mind. like, you’re angry at Biden for supporting Israel, so am I. so you’re going to vote for the guy who does Adelson’s bidding and instituted the Muslim ban? that’s some thickly idiotic reasoning, I gotta say

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, July 12, 2024 5:33 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

you live in PA right? you should definitely vote

A NY Times link, so apologies:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/12/opinion/biden-trump-electoral-map-outlook.html

― beamish13, Friday, July 12, 2024 3:45 PM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

tough read. even if they do replace biden, it'll be very hard to win

beamish13 is making me miss Left

The offer of the labor department portion of the 2025 project tried to by my next door neighbors house. I pressured my neighbors so hard to not let him and it seriously stressed me out for a while. It ultimately fell apart thank god

The “author” sheesh

beamish13 is making me miss Left

― flopson, Friday, July 12, 2024 10:50 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol

What do folks think of the unequivocal NYT editorial which makes the startling case that Asshole should not be president? Or was it discussed upthread and I missed it?

Apparently Biden will be giving a speech in Detroit in which he's going to focus on Project 2025. And tomorrow, we'll get 50 more stories about anonymous Democrat hacks and shitheads in Congress nobody's ever heard of, for good reason, saying he should step down without saying that Harris should be the nominee.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, July 12, 2024 3:22 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

those must be some pretty light goalposts

Tyler Austin Harper of The Atlantic’s brilliant rundown of how Biden’s handlers are gaslighting us

Here's a list of things Biden defenders expect us to believe. 🧵

1. The Biden we see on TV – rambling, exhausted, confused – has no relationship to the Biden that is running the country. He's too old to campaign vigorously but not too old to be president, which is less taxing.

— Tyler Austin Harper (@Tyler_A_Harper) July 12, 2024

I could watch Jake Sullivan grabbing his chin in horror 1000 times lmao pic.twitter.com/vz6BpNoRNz

— 𝙅𝙊𝙃𝙉 𝙎𝙆𝙅𝙐𝙇𝙏 (@skjultster) July 12, 2024

many xposts: flopson, that’s for me to decide.

And tomorrow, we'll get 50 more stories about anonymous Democrat hacks and shitheads in Congress nobody's ever heard of, for good reason, saying he should step down without saying that Harris should be the nominee.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 12 July 2024 bookmarkflaglink

In a political party which was functioning and was geared towards the membership this wouldn't be happening.

Lol hadn't the Japan - Korea bit till now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/opinion/joe-biden-president.html

That’s it imo. He’s the nominee.