US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

yeah the idea that we should slag a vice president for being shackled to their constitutional role is strange to me. I don't want Dick Cheney.

alright guys. cool to replace the candidate with no accomplishments with the candidate with no accomplishments. got it.

imo biden shouldn’t really communicate his accomplishments. incumbent are punished for their accomplishments, not rewarded. what he should do, but is now incapable of doing, is communicate trump’s negative qualities

Like, the next time a President sends a check to every American, they need to stage a couple corny-ass Publisher’s Clearing House ambush videos and blanket TikTok with those. Then *maybe* people will remember.

it's been a good strategy so far for sure. xp

what he should do, but is now incapable of doing, is communicate trump’s negative qualities

Apparently the website summarizing the goals of Project 2025 is getting a fair amount of attention — enough that Trump had to try disavowing it, something no one but Maggie Haberman bought.

exactly, if you put Harris in it'll be chaos for a couple weeks but then the focus will be put squarely on Trump, where it belongs. and the question will be: do you really want four more years of this fucking guy? the guy who literally tried to overthrow the government his last time? if Biden stays, we'll be talking about his age from now until election day.

I mean, LBJ and Truman's accomplishments before the vice presidency didn't inspire confidence either.

Harris ran an abysmal campaign. But that was ages ago.

82% rise in home prices under biden now THAT's an accomplishment!

legislatively biden accomplished an unusual amount. but what he accomplished were enormous spending packages which are (unfairly or not) perceived to have caused the inflation everyone is pissed at him about. he definitely shouldn’t talk about that any more than necessary

Map, I’m not really going against you here. It’s how completely splintered the media is today. Biden probably wasn’t shameless enough to sell what he’s done to a world that isn’t the one he’s familiar/comfortable with.

Unperson has cited Biden's accomplishments many times in the politics threads, not sure if you missed those posts or just refuse to believe them. The ACA has been such a blessing to me that I consider Obama the best prez of my lifetime, but I wouldn't argue against Biden very strongly.

haha i'm just shitposting now tbh i've reached my politics quota for the day

One of my best friends, a lifelong diabetic, learned a couple months ago his insulin bill dropped to $50 montly. That's the kind of accomplishment that saves lives.

that's a good one for sure! i'd be curious to know how much every other bill he has has risen.

probably not at the level of an unregulated insulin bill but that overall rise affects a lot more people

iirc prescription drug price negotiation is the one thing they did that polls well. bidens best attempt to make this point during the debate was the “we finally beat medicaid” quote

i'd be curious to know how much every other bill he has has risen.

Probably most of them. Judging by a conversation last week he doesn't blame Biden for the price of eggs.

good thing no one, historically, has ever had the nerve to judge the president and his administration for their daily living costs.

Because a president only has so much control over inflationary costs? But your irony is noted.

worth mentioning this shit only becomes the president's fault when there's a Democrat in office, the two biggest economic crashes of my life came under GWB and Trump yet for both of them the line was still "well at least they were good on the economy"

toss in GHWB too

alright guys. cool to replace the candidate with no accomplishments with the candidate with no accomplishments. got it.

It's impossible for her to have accomplishments (as VP).

This feels like the flip side of the Hillary "most qualified ever" argument in 2016, though - there aren't really qualifications for being the best President or Presidential accomplishments until you're in the office. All you can go on is how effective you think they can be as President and how decent their goals might be.

(I don't think Harris has decent goals or have doubts she'd be a highly effective President... but we're trying to clear the lowest possible bar here of two guys who are widely disliked and have melting brains.)

W's economic crash is the primary reason we got Obama, HW's economic crash is the primary reason we got Clinton.

The idea Republicans don't get blamed for the economy doesn't have much merit IMO - under Trump everyone was white knuckling it waiting for the next crash until COVID when suddenly people got free money and extended unemployment and it turns out people like those things a lot.

map's right to be infuriated by a country increasingly uninterested in the plight of the working poor, and the post-COVID inflation's hit them particularly hard while I know asshole who are like, "Santorini was gorgeous last week, but, ugh, did you see how high gas is here?" The system is execrable and stupid.

I mean yeah it's true people blamed GWB for a lot of that shit but it did not change people's opinions that Republicans = economic strength even as that's been proved wrong over and over and over again

he only looked like was around 140 years old just now with the new brit PM. his arms are so stiff.

must be nap time. he was talking so slow.

"what he should do, but is now incapable of doing, is communicate trump’s negative qualities"

Harris is doing it though. And she's good at it! posting this again here. its only a month ago but feels like its 10 years old. but she has gotten way better at communicating. she just seems so sane!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3-KA8ja6g

she can prosecute trump like nobody's business. she's got the facts at her fingertips. that's what you need. quickness. its in short supply.

An advantage of Harris vs. Trump is that they would absolutely attack her for lots of things, but they won't be able to resist especially attacking her for being a Black woman. There was already that NY Post thing calling her "the first DEI president," and there would be a lot more of that — but racist/sexist attacks are a much more double-edged weapon politically than saying "he's too old/out of it," they risk turning off a lot more people. And non-MAGA people overall already get turned off by Trump being insulting, that was one thing in that Luntz focus group on the debate, Trump's low marks came not so much from nonstop lying as when he turned particularly mean. Trump insulting another old white guy is one thing, but it would carry more potential cost against a younger nonwhite woman.

And again, she has an advantage just by not being old as fuck. Biden’s biggest liability with voters wiped out.

And Harris provides a narrative of change that I suspect a huge amount of the electorate would fucking love. Is that change real? No, but it at least provides the veneer of change plus a charismatic leader who is well spoken and is well poised to bring abortion to the forefront of the conversation.

she was a pretty brutal prosecutor in San Francisco, so it'll be tough to peg her as soft on crime

Of the many things I find maddening about this debacle, it's seeing Biden's most ardent supporters, on this thread and elsewhere, complain about the elite media and rigged polls. Up is down, in is out, etc.

So tired of seeing "They're just doing this for ratings" and "why don't they ever write about Trump." Literally had to screenshot the front pages of the NYT and WaPo from the day after Trump's guilty verdict to send to a friend to counter the latter point. The story hasn't ended because the story hasn't ended, there's some amount of new news on it every day. That's how big news stories work.

stop eating that crab meat and listen!

Check out the look on Jake Tapper's face after he's told that the Biden campaign is suggesting that Joe Biden has more stamina than George Clooney because Clooney left a fundraiser before Biden did. pic.twitter.com/0WlUooT2xl

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) July 10, 2024

agreed that this is bad, and not good!

Jake’s all “whatever, cool story, bro”

Staying in and being a dick to the donors seems like a smart move.

Sleepy George couldn't stick around, figures

Clooney says in his piece that debate Biden acted the same way at the fundraiser Clooney co-hosted. I can see why he’d made an early exit.

lol the White House dissing Clooney, trashing Brian Stelter, this is the strategy. Just pretending there’s no problem at all and insulting anyone who says otherwise. And these are also the people with the great plan to win the election. Sure.

okay, I'm all-in on The Rock

Time to start that 50 state write-in campaign

Harris-Johnson 2024 , he could resign after six months, or become the best VP and 2-term President that we've ever had, who cares

Seems like a reasonable timeline:
1-the campaign to remove Biden was donor-led and ham-fisted
2-Biden was easily able to characterize it as from know-nothing elites
3-Dem electeds figured they couldn't dislodge him
4-Then they got really bad polling data in the last 24 hours

— David Dayen (@ddayen) July 10, 2024

Josh Barro, Brian Stelter (ugh), Jake Tapper and the many MANY NYT and WP reporters and quisling reps that I now have on my Arya Stark enemies list, and George Clooney and Michael Bennett (who ran against Biden in 2020 and came in dead last) etc etc etc...

They may all succeed in derailing Biden and they are convinced that he won't be able to turn the page (I think they're wrong), and they have convinced themselves that he is too infirm (I think wrong again)

...but they have no better sense of what the outcome will be than those of us wanting to stay the course. And from what I've seen, his most loyal base ~really~ wants to stay the course

We all want to win the presidency and save democracy and it is more important to us now than ever, we are in agreement on that - but the callous attacks on Biden here have been disheartening to me, it just reminds me of 2016

Yeah, can we just go back to calling him Genocide Joe