What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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As in, rank hypocrisy is still rank.

In the UK we have (not saying they are like our equivalent AOC because they so far have taken a principled stance against genocide) Aspana Begum and Zara Sultana, both might not have a long term future in the PLP. If they just melted to the will of the evil party hierarchy then there would be no point to them. You wouldn't see them turning up at the equivalent of the fucking Met Gala either! This idea of politicking a slow route to (whatever minute incremental goals) within a centre-right party is just garbage imo.

For the record, her public statement on Biden was

“I spoke with the President extensively this weekend. He has made abundantly clear that he is in this race … he is not leaving this race. He is the nominee. I am making sure that I support him & that I am focused on making sure that we win in November.”

When AOC says "Joe Biden is the nominee" she's not gaslighting anyone. He ran in the primaries and won most of the delegates. Where there were state caucuses instead of primaries he accrued most of the delegates, too. He has enough delegates to win on the first ballot in a breeze.

Biden's the nominee unless he decides to withdraw his name, and so far he's adamant that he won't do that. Her statement is publicly acknowledging these facts and giving him her support within that context. As long as the reality remains a contest between Biden and Trump, which is where it is stubbornly stuck rn, her position is objectively correct.

What she is doing or saying behind the scenes is hidden from us.

Also Comrade Alphabet it’s weird for someone not an American to pay attention to an American backbencher? It would be like if I obsessed over some Labour MP from Burrow-In-Furness.

I don't really care about what AOC said in this instance, agree it's not worth getting angry about, but c'mon man the US is still a major world power with vast influence over the West, we all still have to pay attention to your politics because they influence all our lives.

She is one of the most famous politicians in the U.S., but her fame greatly exceeds her political influence. Because she is widely understood to represent the "far left" within Congress, it is easy for her views to be dismissed by those with more power as being outside the political mainstream (even if they aren't). And if you're someone who wants to get Biden to drop out, you don't want that position to become thought of as a far left or otherwise extreme position, which could happen if she (or Sanders) vocally supported it. If Biden is going to be persuaded, it's going to be by moderate party loyalists.

AOC is one of the most high profile and well known left leaning politicians in the world. My parents couldn’t name more than a handful of US politicians I’m sure but they both shared that select committee (?) video of her talking about marginal tax rates a while ago and how they work. It’s an absolutely inane argument to compare her to a random backbencher, because her profile is far more well known than politicians in actual governments in various countries. You can blame the Netflix show but it’s what it is.

Netflix show?

Tipping The House? I've never watched it but my first brand recognition of her came from seeing her face over this on netflix.

no it's Knock Down The House ...lol

I can name a LOT more US politicians now than I could before 2016. Ignorance was bliss.

Now that Britain has a new PM every few months I know more names than I used to as well

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once you recognise + know who Matt Gaetz is, you're already in too deep

no it's Knock Down The House ...lol

Oh, I saw that. It's a documentary feature. She was already a media darling before that came out, but I suppose it might've raised her profile outside the U.S.; I forgot it was a Netflix production.

like, do most USAmericans care about Jacob Rees-Mogg and the assorted yapping swastikas of the British right? no, but i do because i care about my comrades in the UK being subjected to such shite

i agree more with the point that the president of the united states has a long, far reach into the lives of most people in the world

id shallow that point a little by adding that if nothing else, an ilxor who wants the site to remain in any way usable for the next four years has an interest here on that score too

She's introduced articles of impeachment against Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito today.

Sweet

Why not Kavanaugh too? What a sell-out.

obv not a believer in the full court press

Democratic Socialists of America have revoked their endorsement of her

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/status-of-dsa-national-endorsement-for-rep-ocasio-cortez/

stand in a circle and fire

Now face north

A little late here but amen to this, jaymc. It's surprising to me that this isn't obvious to more leftists:

Because she is widely understood to represent the "far left" within Congress, it is easy for her views to be dismissed by those with more power as being outside the political mainstream (even if they aren't). And if you're someone who wants to get Biden to drop out, you don't want that position to become thought of as a far left or otherwise extreme position, which could happen if she (or Sanders) vocally supported it.

"She's introduced articles of impeachment against Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito today."

surely this hasn't a snowballs chance in hell

Zero chance but it's good timing to get some eyes on their bullshit.

She should focus on more realistic bills, like Medicare for All

stand in a circle and fire

She's not, in the DSA's view, standing for key principles - why would they endorse her?

They can kick out whoever they want. It's their playground.

(shrug) Successful politics are generally based on drawing in more supporters, not kicking them away.

Where are they supposed to draw a line? Should the DSA endorse homophobes if they're also pro-M4A? "Big tent socialism!!!"

I would kick out anyone who consumes organic matter or emits carbon dioxide.

According to the DSA's statement, one of their four most important non-negotiable requirements for earning their endorsement was that AOC "participate regularly in the DSA Federal Socialists in Office Committee". This is a measure of pettiness, not high moral principle.

"Be involved in the organization" is hardly pettiness. If she's outgrown the organization (probably!) then their endorsement is irrelevant (completely!)... so what is the point of compromising on principle (aside from making liberals happy?)?

Aimless, what does it matter? If she broke a group's rules/code/whatever it's up to them to do what they like.

She’s reneged on her commitment to ending America and Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people

I'm gonna need more resources to end America. Besides, the GOP's doing it for us.

I was reading an interesting website that said AOC is quite dedicated to ending America

Endless war/terrorism is a bipartisan endeavour

I feel like whoever the DSA want to endorse or not endorse is up to them, and not something they need to justify externally.

Aimless, what does it matter?

I guess you didn't notice the (shrug) in my initial post.

"On Sunday, June 23rd, the DSA National Political Committee (NPC) voted to endorse Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) so long as she fulfills the following conditions"

Do political parties typically make public demands in exchange for their endorsements?

The Libertarian Party will endorse X if he agrees to

a) Smoke a bong with an von Mises decal on it

Is the DSA a political party?

According to the DSA's statement, one of their four most important non-negotiable requirements for earning their endorsement was that AOC "participate regularly in the DSA Federal Socialists in Office Committee". This is a measure of pettiness, not high moral principle.

But what were the other three?

Chip in for coffee and snacks

No sure if you were being rhetorical* Doctor C, but:

1. Publicly opposes all funding to Israel, including the Iron Dome
2. Participates regularly in the DSA Federal Socialists in Office Committee
3. Publicly opposes all criminalization of Anti-Zionism, such as bills advancing the IHRA definition which conflates criticism of Israel with anti-semitism
4. Publicly supports BDS (Boycott, Divest, and Sanction) to end Israeli settler-colonialism

* I suspect you were, given how not like the others that one is.

I was, which I regret as it would be more fair to Aimless to be direct. It's helpful to have this summary in-thread!

so they booted her out for good reasons.

I'm gonna need more resources to end America. Besides, the GOP's doing it for us.

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Very interested in their program now