US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

We're on a message board, not in a position to garrote Joe Biden.

Don't take our handwringing and jokes from us, they're all we have.

Plus you can't join the garrotting board without an invite.

ugh you jerks and your private boards

wake me up before you coup-coup

I read that Matthew Yglesias column that was posted yesterday. I'm learning about fluid intelligence vs. crystallized intelligence--he mentioned it, and so did a doctor CNN had on yesterday. Fluid intelligence is the one that fades: your ability to respond to new information and think on your feet (as opposed to learned skills/information). I think I have a bigger problem with crystallized intelligence, which is why I sit there staring at my silly daily baseball game for 10 minutes trying to remember some backup catcher on the Cubs 50 years ago.

So basically Biden has to rely on crystal Blue persuasion.

It's a new vibration.

Tommy James 4 President

Few but Joe Biden remember the time we beat the Black and Tans at Soldier Field in Chicago.

if biden stays in, it'll be the first election in a while (since 2012 or 2004?) with no suspense at all as to what the outcome will be

even in 2012 Romney-ites were legit shocked he lost as Rasmussen was predicting a Romney victory up until the last day. this would be more like 2008 I think.

I don't want this to happen, mind.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Blue-sunshine-movie-poster-md.jpg

great film

with a great soundtrack

if biden stays in, it'll be the first election in a while (since 2012 or 2004?) with no suspense at all as to what the outcome will be

I dunno, polls have a way of tightening toward election day regardless of who's putatively ahead. I don't think Biden will win because right now there's no reason to think so, but I also don't think the margins will be such that it'll be a sure thing for Trump either. Apart from the figurehead, Dems will I assume run mostly the same campaign they would with Harris or anyone else, emphasizing abortion, the chaos and lawlessness of Trump, and general looming apocalypse. If Wisconsin, Pa. and Michigan stay close enough to be competitive, the election won't be any foregone conclusion.

Biden's campaign is going to be all about what a fighter he is--how he took on the wimps and whiners in his own party and said Hit the Road Jack. Maybe that will work better than whatever he was doing before this.

if biden loses he will be hated forever.

if biden loses he will be hated forever.

Biden is already hated. By the New York Times, by the entire Republican Party, by everyone on this thread...

if biden loses- - - - hating on him is going to be the least of our problems

RBG probably doesn't care that we blame her for everything

Biden’s refusal to even acknowledge the need for universal access to healthcare is fucking despicable, and Democrats need to get a spine and find someone with a better plan than the fucking ACA, which was made in tandem with insurance companies

every time i think of the lame excuses for that debate - tired, jet lag, cold - all i can think is that dude makes $400,000 a year to stand up straight and speak like a human. your're fired!

obviously, yeah. i am just thinking of an angle that could appeal to biden becuase he lurks

what's his dn

Biden also gets the best healthcare on earth! Can’t disguise cognitive rot

presidents get so much excellent healthcare, Trump would be dead now if he got that covid while he was just hosting the apprentice.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion either, people underestimate how much Trump is hated and how much people are gonna turn out to vote against him, probably won't be enough but I think it'll be close

i cannot believe this is the situation

Biden's holding a press conference on Thursday, with the ostensible focus NATO. Which will probably generate a question or two.

I read that Matthew Yglesias column that was posted yesterday. I'm learning about fluid intelligence vs. crystallized intelligence--he mentioned it, and so did a doctor CNN had on yesterday. Fluid intelligence is the one that fades: your ability to respond to new information and think on your feet (as opposed to learned skills/information). I think I have a bigger problem with crystallized intelligence, which is why I sit there staring at my silly daily baseball game for 10 minutes trying to remember some backup catcher on the Cubs 50 years ago.

― clemenza, Tuesday, July 9, 2024 11:05 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is what I've noticed with my grandma, she doesn't remember my kids' names or why she was recently in the hospital or even what year it is, but when it comes to things that happened before 2010 or so her memory is actually kind of still there. I kinda thought of that when Biden said "I'll beat him again in 2020". fwiw I'd bet anything that Trump is going through this too - remember how often he referred to Biden as Obama? people don't notice it because he never made much sense in the first place but Trump seems to be unable to point to any specific things that's happened in the last 4 years or even during his own presidency really

lol

John Kirby on President Biden's scheduled NATO news conference on Thursday: "The president will hold a press conference, I guess a 'BIG BOY' press conference what we're calling it."@PressSec Karine Jean-Pierre: "Yes." pic.twitter.com/faq5uN6QU0

— Jeremy Art (@cspanJeremy) July 8, 2024

if biden stays in, it'll be the first election in a while (since 2012 or 2004?) with no suspense at all as to what the outcome will be

I dunno, polls have a way of tightening toward election day regardless of who's putatively ahead. I don't think Biden will win because right now there's no reason to think so, but I also don't think the margins will be such that it'll be a sure thing for Trump either. Apart from the figurehead, Dems will I assume run mostly the same campaign they would with Harris or anyone else, emphasizing abortion, the chaos and lawlessness of Trump, and general looming apocalypse. If Wisconsin, Pa. and Michigan stay close enough to be competitive, the election won't be any foregone conclusion.

― Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, July 9, 2024 12:54 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

nah he's toast

New AARP poll of Wisconsin, taken after debate.

Trump: 44 (+6pts)
Biden: 38
RFK: 9

Baldwin: 50 (+5)
Hovde: 45

— Elena Schneider (@ec_schneider) July 9, 2024

RFK need to drop out

i hear Dealey Plaza is nice this time of yr

by everyone on this thread...

surely you jest

not saying the situation is actually good but I really don't think Biden's gonna run 12 points behind Tammy Baldwin

I think you're confusing "everyone" with "Beamish".

lol

Biden's numbers looking like GHWB's in '92

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9LZXheHddI

I mean some people (including some itt) probably do actually "hate Biden," but there are a whole bunch of us who voted for him once and will again if that's the option who think he's just a bad candidate. That's not "hate," it's not personal except in the sense that he personally is polling badly and performing badly in public and doesn't seem up to making his own case for reelection. I'm irritated at him for running and putting us all in this situation, I think he's being myopic and egotistical and putting his vanity ahead of the country, but that's situational — I don't hate him, I disagree with his decisions.

What I think is weirder is the devotion to him personally I've seen from some people (including some itt, but less so here than elsewhere), like there's something iwe owe to him. I don't think anyone owes him shit, he's there to do a job as nominee and he's doing it poorly.

Jon Stewart looks like Hunter.

I don't think most of the NYT writers calling Biden to drop out hate him, either! But they do hold Biden do a higher standard than they do Trump, and they also know that they have far more actual influence with the Democratic Party than with the Republicans.

emphasizing abortion, the chaos and lawlessness of Trump, and general looming apocalypse

i don't think roe v wade will be as helpful as it was in 2022. different electorate in a general election vs midterm, plus trump got the gop to moderate on abortion in their platform, and biden's response in the debate when trump dramatically oversold the extent of moderation was to pivot to immigration. trump's legal problems don't seem to have hurt him in the polls much, but they did cause his donations to explode, closing his funding gap. all the polls we're seeing now from swing states are from a context where almost 100% of ads are run by democrats

+ Biden's presence actively undermines arguments about chaos and looming apocalypse (ie the strongest Democratic arguments)

Trump got the gop to moderate on abortion in their platform,

I don't think anybody not in Trumpworld believes this; the people for whom this most counts are the ones reading the prestige newspaper home pages whose stories are pointing out Trump's cynicism too. But we'll see.

i regard the democratic party like i'd regard any normal party, one to be held to a higher standard, and they frequently disappoint me and anger me. i regard the republican party like a drug cartel, where nothing is beneath them at this point, expect the worst and they'll sink to a new low you didn't see coming. so in that light, I don't hate Biden, I personally will vote for him and tell everyone i know to do the same (except that one weird wing of my family who probably thinks i'm a woke cuck), but he's infuriating and i think it would be the best for him to drop out immediately, albeit in a careful strategic fashion.

If you can overlook all the usual Stewart schtick, that clip has some amazing stuff--I felt bad for laughing at it. Also a great rejoinder to the "How come nobody is going after Trump?" complaint.

damn i hadn't realized biden lost colbert

Colbert finished his monologue by solemnly saying, “I believe he’s a good enough man. He is a good enough president to put the needs of the country ahead of the needs of his ego. And however painful that might be, it is possible that handing leadership to a younger generation is the right thing for the greater goodest. Or good as. Either one.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-suggests-it-might-be-best-for-biden-to-step-down