US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

yep

People like saviors (people are weird about Bernie Sanders too).

But we need coherent speakers at this moment tbh

And non-corpses

we're staring down the barrel of fascism, if Biden insists on staying in then the Dems should all get behind him. doesn't mean they have to be happy about it but these are the stakes right now.

The GOP convention next week could have a focusing/energizing effect. And/or it could give Trump a bounce that will terrify people even more and prompt one more round of Joe's-gotta-go.

can't wait to find out which lunatic will be his running mate

Pelosi.

i watched this whole thing. if you transcribed what they said and read it it would make sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5BWFRETdk

It’s looking Vance

I'm guessing Trump delayed his VP pick to find out whether he'd be running against Joe or Kamala.

lol JD Vance one heartbeat away from the presidency. Then presumably Peter Thiel hires some ninjas to take out Trump and the plan is complete.

Don’t know why he would other than he is a toadying worm. Vance brings nothing, Ohio is already Trump country, and he’s actively repellent to people.

Why Trump would choose Vance, I mean, if Trump wasn’t an insecure creep himself and actually a good politician.

Hillbilly Elegy 2: Pathetic Coup Pursue

we're staring down the barrel of fascism, if Biden insists on staying in then the Dems should all get behind him. doesn't mean they have to be happy about it but these are the stakes right now.

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2024 6:51 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Almost 200,000 Palestinians murdered with our tax dollars for no reason other than that they're Palestinians and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 2 million people locked up in the prison-industrial complex— which is merely a metonym for modern-day slavery— and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 1500 people murdered by police in 2023 and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 70% percent of the total wealth in the United States owned by the top 10 percent of earners while the lowest 50 percent of earners only owned 2.5 percent of the total wealth and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 70,000 Americans die each year because they lack access to the health care they desperately need, and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Over half of the members of Congress are millionaires and the median net worth of members is approximately $1 million, and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

These are FACTS. This is not to say that "the election doesn't matter" or "Trump will be better" or "things can only get better" or anything ridiculous like that, but to say that anyone who doesn't believe that fascism isn't already here in some form via class, ethnic, and gender warfare is absolutely delusional, imho.

Sure, I will reluctantly support the candidate who will be less bad on these issues, but let's not fucking delude ourselves— much of the discontent with our current political system either comes from conscious or unconscious knowledge of the issues above.

Apparently the Dem meetings this morning still left a bunch of questions up on the air

In the air*

was the president breathing

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

NYT doubled down on booting Biden today, but probably not to much effect

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/08/opinion/editorials/democrats-biden-truth.html

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

― c u (crüt), Tuesday, July 9, 2024

yeah we've had versions of this argument before. Some of those facts are fascist, some are not, ALL are evil.

Carville wrote an op-ed too. He says Bill Clinton and Obama should pick a field of 8, including Harris, and hold a series of regional town-hall style debates, I guess kind of like a reality show? And then somehow a nominee would emerge. The delegates will get on board because they are "pragmatic patriots". Personally I can't think of a plan more likely to turn America's stomach but hey I'm not the campaign wunderdude

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

― c u (crüt), Tuesday, July 9, 2024

yeah we've had versions of this argument before. Some of those facts are fascist, some are not, ALL are evil.

We're on a message board, not in a position to garrote Joe Biden.

Don't take our handwringing and jokes from us, they're all we have.

Plus you can't join the garrotting board without an invite.

ugh you jerks and your private boards

wake me up before you coup-coup

I read that Matthew Yglesias column that was posted yesterday. I'm learning about fluid intelligence vs. crystallized intelligence--he mentioned it, and so did a doctor CNN had on yesterday. Fluid intelligence is the one that fades: your ability to respond to new information and think on your feet (as opposed to learned skills/information). I think I have a bigger problem with crystallized intelligence, which is why I sit there staring at my silly daily baseball game for 10 minutes trying to remember some backup catcher on the Cubs 50 years ago.

So basically Biden has to rely on crystal Blue persuasion.

It's a new vibration.

Tommy James 4 President

Few but Joe Biden remember the time we beat the Black and Tans at Soldier Field in Chicago.

if biden stays in, it'll be the first election in a while (since 2012 or 2004?) with no suspense at all as to what the outcome will be

even in 2012 Romney-ites were legit shocked he lost as Rasmussen was predicting a Romney victory up until the last day. this would be more like 2008 I think.

I don't want this to happen, mind.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Blue-sunshine-movie-poster-md.jpg

great film

with a great soundtrack

if biden stays in, it'll be the first election in a while (since 2012 or 2004?) with no suspense at all as to what the outcome will be

I dunno, polls have a way of tightening toward election day regardless of who's putatively ahead. I don't think Biden will win because right now there's no reason to think so, but I also don't think the margins will be such that it'll be a sure thing for Trump either. Apart from the figurehead, Dems will I assume run mostly the same campaign they would with Harris or anyone else, emphasizing abortion, the chaos and lawlessness of Trump, and general looming apocalypse. If Wisconsin, Pa. and Michigan stay close enough to be competitive, the election won't be any foregone conclusion.

Biden's campaign is going to be all about what a fighter he is--how he took on the wimps and whiners in his own party and said Hit the Road Jack. Maybe that will work better than whatever he was doing before this.

if biden loses he will be hated forever.

if biden loses he will be hated forever.

Biden is already hated. By the New York Times, by the entire Republican Party, by everyone on this thread...

if biden loses- - - - hating on him is going to be the least of our problems

RBG probably doesn't care that we blame her for everything

Biden’s refusal to even acknowledge the need for universal access to healthcare is fucking despicable, and Democrats need to get a spine and find someone with a better plan than the fucking ACA, which was made in tandem with insurance companies

every time i think of the lame excuses for that debate - tired, jet lag, cold - all i can think is that dude makes $400,000 a year to stand up straight and speak like a human. your're fired!

obviously, yeah. i am just thinking of an angle that could appeal to biden becuase he lurks

what's his dn

Biden also gets the best healthcare on earth! Can’t disguise cognitive rot