US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

Doesn't seem that long ago that Karl Rove threw an on-air fit because he didn't like the math he was seeing.

tryna pod save America

Replace Biden as nominee:

64% all voters
55% Black voters
66% Hispanic voters
48% Biden (!) voters

Biden is too old to be an effective president:

69% all voters
62% Black voters
68% Hispanic voters
55% Biden voters

This is from the NYT PRE-debate poll, Trump 48-Biden 42,…

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) July 8, 2024

Guy isn’t just destroying his legacy, he’s about to take a wet shit on it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSCeh_HXwAEC446.jpg

qanon vibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2_E62NY3hg

Oops lol. Great song, though!

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— anti-treat aktion (@biscuitcoded) July 9, 2024

augh!

good morning!

ppl are so betrayed by that AOC statement, but a statement from her calling for Biden to drop out would have very little purchase within the White House and the Democratic establishment at large. there is more upside for her at this point to voice loyalty -- though the actual statement isn't exactly a full-throated endorsement of Biden, it's just her saying factually that Biden is the nominee, so she will support him (as long as he remains the nominee).

It wouldn't be humanity in the year 2024 if we weren't champing at the bit to shout J'ACCUSE!!!! at literally anyone over the merest imagined slight.

Seems like she could have said nothing

she'd probably get hounded for remaining silent

I wouldn't call the positions of any Dem members of Congress a betrayal, they're making their best guesses about the best way to win while also navigating party politics and thinking about what happens after November. Obviously I think there's a better case for Biden stepping aside, but I don't think it's a slam dunk decision either way. And tbh marshaling support within the party is the most focused and energetic thing the Biden campaign has done all year. Now they need to project that outward.

^^

People are vv weird about AOC

yep

People like saviors (people are weird about Bernie Sanders too).

But we need coherent speakers at this moment tbh

And non-corpses

we're staring down the barrel of fascism, if Biden insists on staying in then the Dems should all get behind him. doesn't mean they have to be happy about it but these are the stakes right now.

The GOP convention next week could have a focusing/energizing effect. And/or it could give Trump a bounce that will terrify people even more and prompt one more round of Joe's-gotta-go.

can't wait to find out which lunatic will be his running mate

Pelosi.

i watched this whole thing. if you transcribed what they said and read it it would make sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5BWFRETdk

It’s looking Vance

I'm guessing Trump delayed his VP pick to find out whether he'd be running against Joe or Kamala.

lol JD Vance one heartbeat away from the presidency. Then presumably Peter Thiel hires some ninjas to take out Trump and the plan is complete.

Don’t know why he would other than he is a toadying worm. Vance brings nothing, Ohio is already Trump country, and he’s actively repellent to people.

Why Trump would choose Vance, I mean, if Trump wasn’t an insecure creep himself and actually a good politician.

Hillbilly Elegy 2: Pathetic Coup Pursue

we're staring down the barrel of fascism, if Biden insists on staying in then the Dems should all get behind him. doesn't mean they have to be happy about it but these are the stakes right now.

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2024 6:51 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Almost 200,000 Palestinians murdered with our tax dollars for no reason other than that they're Palestinians and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 2 million people locked up in the prison-industrial complex— which is merely a metonym for modern-day slavery— and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 1500 people murdered by police in 2023 and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 70% percent of the total wealth in the United States owned by the top 10 percent of earners while the lowest 50 percent of earners only owned 2.5 percent of the total wealth and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Almost 70,000 Americans die each year because they lack access to the health care they desperately need, and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

Over half of the members of Congress are millionaires and the median net worth of members is approximately $1 million, and yet people still think we're "staring down the barrel" of fascism.

These are FACTS. This is not to say that "the election doesn't matter" or "Trump will be better" or "things can only get better" or anything ridiculous like that, but to say that anyone who doesn't believe that fascism isn't already here in some form via class, ethnic, and gender warfare is absolutely delusional, imho.

Sure, I will reluctantly support the candidate who will be less bad on these issues, but let's not fucking delude ourselves— much of the discontent with our current political system either comes from conscious or unconscious knowledge of the issues above.

Apparently the Dem meetings this morning still left a bunch of questions up on the air

In the air*

was the president breathing

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

NYT doubled down on booting Biden today, but probably not to much effect

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/08/opinion/editorials/democrats-biden-truth.html

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

― c u (crüt), Tuesday, July 9, 2024

yeah we've had versions of this argument before. Some of those facts are fascist, some are not, ALL are evil.

Carville wrote an op-ed too. He says Bill Clinton and Obama should pick a field of 8, including Harris, and hold a series of regional town-hall style debates, I guess kind of like a reality show? And then somehow a nominee would emerge. The delegates will get on board because they are "pragmatic patriots". Personally I can't think of a plan more likely to turn America's stomach but hey I'm not the campaign wunderdude

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

table i think you simply have a different definition of fascism from most people

― c u (crüt), Tuesday, July 9, 2024

yeah we've had versions of this argument before. Some of those facts are fascist, some are not, ALL are evil.

We're on a message board, not in a position to garrote Joe Biden.

Don't take our handwringing and jokes from us, they're all we have.

Plus you can't join the garrotting board without an invite.

ugh you jerks and your private boards

wake me up before you coup-coup

I read that Matthew Yglesias column that was posted yesterday. I'm learning about fluid intelligence vs. crystallized intelligence--he mentioned it, and so did a doctor CNN had on yesterday. Fluid intelligence is the one that fades: your ability to respond to new information and think on your feet (as opposed to learned skills/information). I think I have a bigger problem with crystallized intelligence, which is why I sit there staring at my silly daily baseball game for 10 minutes trying to remember some backup catcher on the Cubs 50 years ago.

So basically Biden has to rely on crystal Blue persuasion.

It's a new vibration.

Tommy James 4 President

Few but Joe Biden remember the time we beat the Black and Tans at Soldier Field in Chicago.