US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

Nope. It goes to Harris if she's the nominee.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-what-happens-to-bidens-campaign-funds-if-he-withdraws-152819051.html

My algorithm coughed this up this morning. Aging is a fucking nightmare. The first two minutes of Biden explaining himself here vs what we've seen the last 10 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opVaEC_WxWs

I can't remember who I heard saying it, some former U.S. Attorney who is probably massively pro-Biden.

ah I see, the funds can go to the VP only

Yeah, that's one of the reasons people have coalesced around Harris rather than other candidates

My algorithm coughed this up this morning. Aging is a fucking nightmare. The first two minutes of Biden explaining himself here vs what we've seen the last 10 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opVaEC_WxWs

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 8, 2024 9:27 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sheesh. *that* man would win in a landslide, I think. this sucks.

Still think plan ‘do it for Joe’ is the right messaging.

Spending 12+ days in the heart of the general election campaign defending yourself from your own party is probably fatal.

Even if the bleeding ends today no one is going to believe what Joe's surrogates say about him from now on.

xxp suzy otm

Normal:

https://twiter.com/EugeneDaniels2/status/1810311337295143332?s=19

President Joe Biden on Morning Joe daring those that doubt him: "I'm getting frustrated by the elites in the party, 'Oh, they know so much more.' Any of these guys that don't think I should run, run against me. Announce for president, challenge me at the convention."

— Eugene Daniels (@EugeneDaniels2) July 8, 2024

Release your delegates then.

god, that letter.

"do we now just say this process doesn't matter? that the voters don't have a say?"

gee, thanks joe

He’s going to stay in and give us a parting gift of a 55-45 Trump victory.

3/4s of the voters think you're senile Joe

laff break

Opinion | Tim Scott must be upfront with voters about his sexual orientation.

by Lindsey Graham and Josh Hawley

— New York Times Pitchbot (@DougJBalloon) July 7, 2024

Hahahahahahaha omg

I'm absolutely convinced this latest clusterfuck is going to result in Trump winning, with some help from the Supreme Court in at least one key swing state. Even given the low bar of the Dems, this is a colossal fuck-up that will easily surpass the RBG thing.

Is it just me or does Graham look terrible to you guys these days?

(by "fuck-up" I mean not having any sort of succession plan in place until they started thinking about it AFTER the debate)

maybe i'm naive but i seriously do not think he's gonna win

I just think this debate clusterfuck is the icing on the cake. This was the Dems election to lose and I think they've managed to just about do that. Tt's basically a perfect storm here - historically unpopular incumbent, poor messaging, the youth vote who are (understandably) going to sit out because of how Gaza has been handled by this administration, the media completely in the tank for Trump, the Supreme Court - the sum total concerns the shit out of me. Please prove me wrong America.

We need to call in a hostage negotiator at this point

wouldn't he be James Clyburn

On the positive side, whatever happened to unleash the torrent of info about Project 2025 has been nice to see. I've heard some really politics averse acquaintances even talking about it, worriedly, in the past week or so.

Also, fuck yourself Joe

Jon OTM, Project 2025 has really started to catch people’s attention in the last week or so

most searched-for wikipedia term, yeah?

Mostly people trying to find out where to send their resumes

at least it’s a plan

Schedule F is something that really worries me. It will devastate the DC regional economy and does the Project 2025 crew really think that an army of 20 year old groypers will leave their parents' basement to come work in DC?

read that as "gropers" and why not

sounds like "groper" in a NY accent

most searched-for wikipedia term, yeah?

Because people don't have to look up what "old" means.

does the Project 2025 crew really think that an army of 20 year old groypers will leave their parents' basement to come work in DC?

i'm going to say yes, they will. in doing so they will skip several levels of failing upwards and begin at their final destination, which is sitting at a table all day being nominally in charge while a team of consultants/contractors does all the actual work, pausing on occasion to check-in with the project 2025 "loyalist" who gets to say "okay" despite having no fucking clue what is going on

i.e. your average tech job where your boss is 26.

This would be like when all those freaks got plucked from the Heritage Foundation job bank to go run the US occupation of Iraq, except they'd be running America, and with more torture.

has there been any discussion of what project 2025 would mean for the vendor/consultants, and particularly how those vendors would respond to project 2025. they do so much, perhaps most, of the day-to-day work involved in administering agency programs - they run the gamut from the expensive ones everyone has heard about (mckinsey, booz, microsoft) to lots of small ones run by people who used to be in government but realized that the real money is on the other side of the revolving door in the private sector, running the public sector. they're the people who, when asked the dreaded "what do you do?" will answer "i work for the government...well, with the government"

anyway, i suppose the answer is that they'll warmly embrace a trump "loyalist" fascist administrative state. they are very ready to say "yes sir" to whoever gives them money

wait'll Meemaw or Pep-pep stop getting their Social Security checks 'cause no-one knows what they are doing. (They'll probably blame migrants).

Honestly would like to see a groyper navigate the Metro system without shitting their pants or opening fire on a faregate

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large section of younger/middle-aged people who have personally dealt with their elderly relatives on the decline that are finding all of this incredibly frustrating. Like, I remember once going on an errand with my grandfather and being utterly terrified that I was going to be in car accident in a way I've never felt before or since. Same goes with my mother-in-law - my wife and I both agree she's had terrible hearing for years and she's been stubbornly denying it's the case until just a few months ago. Imagine that - but it's for the most powerful position in the world AND there's a wannabe dictator potentially steamrolling your ass!

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large section of younger/middle-aged people who have personally dealt with their elderly relatives on the decline that are finding all of this incredibly frustrating. Like, I remember once going on an errand with my grandfather and being utterly terrified that I was going to be in car accident in a way I've never felt before or since. Same goes with my mother-in-law - my wife and I both agree she's had terrible hearing for years and she's been stubbornly denying it's the case until just a few months ago.

We've seen how before the debate older people, particularly older whites, have moved into the Democratic column. I'd like to read a story after the debate about the old/young divide. It wouldn't surprise me if the loudest part of the stay-in-Joe crowd consists of people over 65 while those who want'em skew way younger, i.e. the people like us who've watched grandparents suddenly deteriorate.

btw here's the Morning Joe appearance:

President Joe Biden called into MSNBC's "Morning Joe" this morning. Here's the segment (part 1): pic.twitter.com/skpmZt9qlY

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) July 8, 2024

Great point by Osita Nwanevu:

Democrats simply cannot spend the next four months insisting to the American people that Joe Biden is fit for another four years as president. Doing so would push Americans more deeply into the political nihilism that has made Trump an attractive prospect for so many and that has, rightly or wrongly, encouraged many more Americans to disengage from a political system they see as hopelessly tainted by dishonesty and corruption. It would, in sum, continue the corrosion of the faith in politics Biden promised to help restore in the first place.

yeah 2028 seems likely to be a, como se dice, shitshow for democrats if he stays in

The "age is just a number" crowd has plenty of adherents over 65. The dominant US culture values youth over age and that attitude produces lots of denial among the aging. That dynamic applies here, both to Joe and to many older voters.

the political nihilism that has...encouraged many more Americans to disengage from a political system they see as hopelessly tainted by dishonesty and corruption. It would, in sum, continue the corrosion of the faith in politics Biden promised to help restore in the first place.

i tried to say something about this twice and my typing just went out of control. trying to be more succinct: it can't be overstated how demoralizing the 2020 primaries were, with all of the energy and enthusiasm, and YOUTH, with bernie sanders. the rug was swept out from under him - klobuchar and buttigieg were the most visible parts of that, but clearly the establishment was totally against sanders, as they had been in 2016. instead they gave it to biden, who was no one's first choice, and i don't think anyone's second choice either. iirc he was 3rd-5th in the primary polls, at least the early ones where people were just indicating their preference for who they liked, rather the later primaries/gen election when we all get to choose from a platter of liquid shit and try to figure out which one would be less gross to swallow. anyway, no wonder people are disengaged and see it as hopelessly dishonest! they gathered all the most enthusiastic people with the biggest ideals and real dreams for the future and then said fuck off, we believe the next 8 years belongs to this guy that no one likes

clearly the establishment was totally against sanders as they had been in 2016

OTM

instead they gave it to biden,

Bullshit. Sanders failed to win enough primaries. He failed to convince enough POC to join his coalition. I can't believe we're going through this again -- and Biden wasn't even my pick in 2020.