US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

^^^ that's true. It goes back to the exchange tipsy and I had on Wednesday about corporate media.

I didn't want Biden to be the nominee. I wanted Warren first, then I thought Harris would be better. But he's been the best president of my lifetime on domestic policy, and in lots of foreign policy ways too (Afghanistan, which let us not forget is another reason the press hates him — they tried to bring him down over that, and it didn't work). Yes, his military support of Israel is a black mark on his presidency, but that's been true of every president since Israel's founding. It's baked in. I genuinely do not look at Joe Biden and see someone in "cognitive decline." I see someone who's old. Maybe people are panicking because, as Grandpa Simpson said, his withered face reminds them of the grim specter of death. And fuck knows if there's one thing Americans hate, it's realizing that one day they will die. But the press hates him, and if you don't recognize that and make it a major part of your interpretation of current events, you're fucking up. If the press talks and talks and talks about a thing, eventually people start talking about what they're hearing on TV all goddamn day, and then it's "voters and the media" reaching a consensus. I believe Noam Chomsky had some thoughts about this at one point.

Just remember this: Every story editorial pushing the "Biden must go" line is a story not talking about Trump's blatant fascism and the quite literally insane shit he spouted during The Debate That Changed America Forever.

Here are some things that don't matter, nope, not at all, because Joe Biden Is Old. (Reposting the entire story because it's behind a paywall.)

Since Joe Biden’s face-plant in the CNN debate with Donald Trump, the sitting president has faced unyielding pressure from The New York Times, many within his own party, and top donors to step aside from the 2024 race ahead of next month’s Democratic nominating convention in Chicago.

Yet in the exact same nine-day span, Trump has been offering America a stark display of his own disqualifying temperament and mental state — behavior that’s been met with a shrug by the powers-that-be in the media and the GOP. Among other alarming behavior, Trump has amplified a violent conspiracy theory; called for political foes to be tried for treason; lobbed an obscenity at the sitting vice president; and suggested that he is God’s “chosen” candidate.

The leader of the Republican Party promoted on his Truth Social feed a meme featuring the words, “Where We Go One We Go All,” the catchphrase of QAnon conspiracy theory cult. The meme featured a photo of Trump and Melania in the White House, and also a superimposed letter ‘Q’ — leaving no doubts as to the intentions of its creator.

The extremist QAnon movement imagines a paranoid master-narrative in which the heroic Trump is battling a shadowy network of Democratic and Hollywood pedophiles, many of whom he will one day round up and execute. It has been linked to horrific violence, and even MAGA stalwart Marjorie Taylor Greene has tried to distance herself from QAnon beliefs.

That wasn’t Trump’s only bout of conspiracy mongering this week. Trump also amplified a meme on Truth Social about the Soros family. George Soros is a billionaire financier and longtime mega donor to liberal politics and progressive causes; his son Alexander has recently stepped up as the face of the family’s political largesse. The meme featured Alexander Soros’ selfies with top Democratic politicians, as well as international leaders like Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, and declared: “TIME TO EXPOSE THIS COUP AGAINST AMERICA! BRING DOWN THE ENTIRE SOROS FAMILY AND ALL THESE TREASONOUS TRAITORS THAT HE FUNDS!”

Such supposed treason by political foes was weighing on Trump’s mind this week. The former president also “retruthed” — his platform’s version of a retweet — a meme calling for a show trial of the vice chair of the House Jan. 6 committee, now-former Wyoming GOP Rep. Liz Cheney. It read: “Elizabeth Lynne Cheney is guilty of TREASON. Retruth if you want want televised military tribunals.” The typical punishment for treason, to be clear, is the death penalty. (Cheney responded on her own X account writing, “Donald — This is the type of thing that demonstrates yet again that you are not a stable adult — and are not fit for office.”)

This week, top Trump ally Steve Bannon was actually sent to prison — to serve a four month sentence for defying a congressional subpoena. In response, Trump also retruthed a meme featuring a mosaic of head shots of prominent lawmakers that declared: “THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL ON MONDAY NOT STEVE BANNON!”

The politicians Trump apparently would like to see locked up — for the supposed crime of having “HID THE J6 FOOTAGE” — include Republicans like former Vice President Mike Pence and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, as well as Democrats like Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, and House Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi.

McConnell is among the Republican leaders on Capitol Hill who have formally endorsed Trump for 2024, even though Trump is clearly okay with promoting calls for his jailing.

Trump’s victory in the CNN debate had everything to do with Biden’s failure. If the Republican fared better, it was only only by comparison; Trump was, himself, frequently incomprehensible — though his nonsense was more conversationally fluid than that from Biden. Nonetheless, Trump spent much of the week exalting in his own performance, describing it “as “the greatest single debate performance in the long and storied history of Presidential Debates.” (In “complete and total modesty,” Trump attributed this sentiment to “many, on both sides of the political spectrum.”)

Trump was clearly feeling himself this week — going so far as to endorse the idea (popular among Christian nationalists) that his candidacy is being guided by divine providence. He retruthed post by user Patriot4Life that featured Trump’s profile picture and the words: “GOD HAS CHOSEN HIM TO LEAD THIS FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. GOD WINS!”

As pressure was building on Biden to drop out of the 2024 race, Trump was filmed at a golf course giving his impromptu thoughts on the state of the race. He claimed (mistakenly) that he’d already forced Biden — whom he called a “broken-down pile of crap” — to quit the race. Trump then turned his ire to the president’s presumptive replacement, Kamala Harris. Trump was profane in his assessment of his prospective new rival: “She’s so bad. She’s so pathetic. She’s just so fucking bad.” Far from being chagrined by this hot-mic moment, Trump promoted a video of it on his Truth account.

Was that Trump’s lone display of bad taste? Hardly. He also retruthed a meme version of a Weekend At Bernie’s poster that showed Barack Obama and Kamala Harris propping up a sunglasses-wearing Joe Biden corpse.

The Trump campaign did not respond to questions about the former president’s erratic week, which showcased the Republican’s poor impulse control and thirst for vengeance in equal measure.

Trump’s outlandish behavior came the same week the Supreme Court ruled he would enjoy nearly-dictatorial power should he return to office, emboldening the reactionary agenda his team laid out to Axios that includes: deporting tens of millions of undocumented immigrants, seizing political control of the Justice Department to embark on a campaign of retribution against perceived enemies, and hollowing out the career expert staffs of government agencies, replacing them with MAGA loyalists.

As questions continue to swirl around Biden’s health and fitness for office, Team Trump is still eager to lash “the media” for allegedly having tried to cover for Biden and save the Democrats ahead of Election Day 2024. But privately, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the matter, Trump campaign officials and longtime confidants to the ex-president are elated at all the media hyper-focus on Biden’s age, and some have been giddily joking about it with Trump.

Some advisers to Trump are hoping the former president continues to stay (at least by Trump’s standards) below the radar for the coming weeks, and simply allow, in the words of one Republican close to Trump, “the media to devour Biden.” To a certain extent — going by Trump’s garrulous, routinely scandalous standards — they’re currently getting their wish. And yet, especially on his own social media site, Trump just can’t help himself.

“Trump is clearly trying to let the focus be on Joe Biden,” says Doug Heye, a former senior official at the Republican National Committee. “What we saw with Biden is so disastrous for him as a candidate.”

“But with Trump — even with his call for a military tribunal for Liz Cheney — his language, for years, has been so over-the-top that even with his record as president, he still gets graded on a massive curve by so many voters,” Heye says. “It’s already factored in, in a way that it could never be for almost any other candidate for the presidency. Trump saying something crazy is the oldest news there is at this point. It doesn’t mean it’s not crazy, and it doesn’t mean it’s not damaging. But this [dynamic] benefits him greatly.”

If the press had come out of that debate fixated on the breaking news that Donald Trump spews a never-ending line on venal nonsense, that would have been a dereliction of duty. That was not the story of the debate.

I've never seen anything to indicate that the press collectively hates Biden. From what I've seen, his presidency has been covered like any other.

"line of"

Sorry but this “why aren’t they writing about Trump” trope I’m seeing a lot of places from libs-in-denial is also absurd. “The media” has covered Trump and all of his deficits from wall to wall for a decade. There is no lack of coverage of Trump and all of his objectionable qualities. There was blanket coverage of his felony trial, there’s a ton of stuff about Project 2025, even all the editorials and columns calling for Biden to step down are rooted in “because is so particularly terrible” rhetoric.

This isn’t the media’s fault, it’s Joe Biden’s and his team’s and the DNC’s.

“because Trump is so particularly terrible” I mean

Just a data point which I'm sure means nothing at all. The New York Times, which has published 140 stories and 50 editorials about Biden's infirmity and how he should drop out of the race since the debate, today published this about Donald Trump:

A Mark of Shame for 900 Years. Until Now?
“Felon” carries an ancient stigma — one that falls on millions of Americans today. Trump might well redefine it.

A felony, as Associate Justice Clarence Thomas once wrote in a 1994 Supreme Court opinion, is “as bad a word as you can give to man or thing.” When Donald J. Trump was found guilty of 34 felonies in May, by a jury in a Manhattan courtroom, the nation was confronted with a historical novelty: a felon who once held the highest office in the land. The question now is whether the label will actually tarnish Mr. Trump, as it has so many people over the centuries.

President Biden seems to be betting that it will. For weeks on the campaign trail, and more recently during the first presidential debate, he has called Mr. Trump a “convicted felon.” A Biden campaign ad called “Character Matters,” calls Mr. Trump “a convicted criminal, who’s only out for himself,” and says the felony convictions reveal “who he is.”

Felon is a word with 900 years of historical baggage, a remnant of the harsh punishments and routine discrimination that were the norm during the Middle Ages. But in a sense, its power derives from its elastic boundaries: Unlike specific crimes, which hinge on the defendant’s behavior, the felony category is defined only by its punishments.

“We don’t have a positive definition,” said Elise Wang, a historian who has traced the word’s origins back to medieval literature. “We only have a tautology.”

A felon, in other words, is simply anyone who has been found guilty of a felony, and a felony is any crime punishable by a year or more in prison — “the most serious crimes,” according to a Justice Department handbook.

Many felonies — like Mr. Trump’s and Hunter Biden’s as well — amount to lying on official paperwork. “This is one of the places where there’s a gap between the popular understanding of the term, and the law on the books,” said Alice Ristroph, a professor at Brooklyn Law School. “Ordinary understandings of ‘felony’ associate it with violent conduct, like murder. But in practice, almost anything that is criminal in any way can be charged as a felony.”

...

When Justice Thomas wrote that felony was “as bad a word as you can give to man or thing,” he was quoting from an older opinion, which in turn quoted an old history of English law. That text identified in the usage of “felon” a subtle undercurrent of praise. “Occasionally we may hear in it a note of admiration,” wrote the authors, “for fierceness may shade off into laudable courage.”

The electorate seems tuned into this ambiguity. After Mr. Trump was found guilty, initial polls pointed to a slight dip in support for him among independent voters, but the number of Republicans who said the convictions were a “good thing” for Mr. Trump’s campaign outnumbered dissenters by a ratio of 7 to 5.

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While Mr. Trump’s lawyers prepare to argue in court that his convictions should be thrown out in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity, the former president has been embracing his new criminal status on his own terms, by framing himself as the victim of an unjust system. “This is bigger than me,” he said the day after the verdict. “The people understand it.”

This wasn’t the first time someone called Mr. Trump a bad name. It wasn’t the first time he was the target of a criminal investigation, nor the first time he was taken to court. But after the jury announced its verdict, he seemed to recognize that being a felon would be something different. It would be a new frontier of disgrace for him, and for the presidency.

While his lawyers make a last-ditch effort to fight the verdict in court, Mr. Trump is engaged in a second line of effort, experimenting with ways to turn his new status into a badge of honor. If his attempts to peel off the label don’t work, it seems he will try to flaunt it instead. The inversion of 34 felony convictions into a reason to vote for Mr. Trump, were it to succeed, would perhaps be his most audacious transgression of all.

In conclusion, Joe Biden Is Old.

Yeah the apparent lack of urgency —that democracy is on the line—in the Biden camp is certainly worrying.

Just remember this: Every story editorial pushing the "Biden must go" line is a story not talking about Trump's blatant fascism and the quite literally insane shit he spouted during The Debate That Changed America Forever.

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as slowly and clearly as I can say this, for the hundredth time: this is *why* we are all talking about biden. trump is a known, evil, dangerous entity, a convicted felon, someone so unpopular and whose disreputable qualities are so widely understood that it seems inconceivable that he could win a national election. any person of integrity would seemingly see this and vote for his opponent; as joy reid says, and I agree with her — I would vote for biden over trump even if he were in a coma.

AND YET. biden, (by the standards of presidents) a decent man and a solid president, is somehow poised to fumble what should be the easiest re-election in history. he is behind badly and has no clear path to reverse course. this is why everyone is freaking out. it’s not because we hate biden. (though — stay with me — multiple things can be true.) it’s because we’re scared of another 4 years of trump

k3vin relentlessly otm throughout the last few days

AND YET. biden, (by the standards of presidents) a decent man and a solid president, is somehow poised to fumble what should be the easiest re-election in history.

I just don't think this is true. I don't think it's even close to true. In a world where Biden had stepped down two years ago, and Kamala Harris were president now, or in a world where Harris or Warren or Sanders or Mayor Pete or whoever had won the 2020 primary and won the election, I don't think they would be facing an easy re-election fight against Trump right now. It's not even clear to me they'd be better positioned than Biden is right now. Maybe you mean "should" in some normative sense, in which case, fine, it's too bad this is the case, but I don't think we ought to lose sight of the fact that the reason Trump might get re-elected is that lots of people are going to vote for him and would vote for him against any Democrat.

Yeah the apparent lack of urgency —that democracy is on the line—in the Biden camp is certainly worrying.

They think their guy has the best chance of beating Trump. This would all be easier if it were obvious they were wrong.

If you think "there's a zero chance Biden can stick it out and get re-elected, we need to make a move, anything would be better than nothing," I get that, but I disagree. I think it is very fair to say that given what we know now, Biden's chances of winning this election are under 50%. I think the same is true of anybody who would replace Biden. Obviously you want to go with the biggest lower-than-50% number you can get, but I at least don't feel like I have any clear sense of what that is.

Age is his biggest disability anyone younger might have a leg up.

Exactly! *Might*!

Everything is a "might" at this point. An 81-year-old man who has now multiple members of his own party calling for him to step aside and who has dismal approval ratings at a level where no incumbent president in the history of approval ratings (the postwar era, essentially) has ever won a second term and who is underperforming candidates from his own party in crucial states ... he might win. It's possible.

But what's missing is the affirmative case for why he in particular is the best candidate for his party. What strengths does he bring to the ballot that no other top Democrat could bring? If there's not a good answer to that question, then the question is, does he have specific weaknesses and vulnerabilities that other top Democrats wouldn't? If the answer to that is yes — and obviously I think it is — then it's hard to say what the rational basis is for keeping him.

AI can be used to polish how the president comes across, allowing voters to focus on his substance. How many times have we heard voters and pundits alike gripe that “Biden would be the perfect candidate if he were just 10 years younger?” With modern technology, this exact deliverable is possible.

This is not The Onion. They're talking about replacing Joe Biden with AI on the campaign trail. https://t.co/pVo9vaPoA6

— Prof Zenkus (@anthonyzenkus) July 3, 2024

That sounds like a Hunter idea

my jaw is on the floor

apparently the people around joe biden don't think a second trump term is as big of a danger as i do.

Jeezus, no one knows nuthin' anymore:

President Joe Biden is just 2 percentage points away from former President Donald Trump among seven swing states recently polled, despite the president's dismal debate performance last week.

Biden is still reeling from a weak showing against Trump during the first presidential debate in Atlanta last Thursday. The 81-year-old president mumbled through his administration's accomplishments and goals in a hoarse voice. Often times he struggled to give a coherent answer. Biden's team later said he had a cold and was suffering from jet lag.

In a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll conducted from July 1 to 5, Trump led Biden by only 2 percentage points (47 to 45 percent) among all the swing states polled—Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Across all seven swing states, 4,902 registered voters were polled and there was a margin of error of plus or minus 1 percentage points.

Bloomberg News reported that the 2 percentage point gap between Trump and Biden is the smallest it's been since they began this type of polling in October 2023.

But:

This poll was conducted on the heels of last week's debate, which prompted calls from some prominent Democrats for Biden to drop out of the race. Of all the respondents across the seven swing states in the new Bloomberg News poll, only 17 percent thought Biden was mentally fit when thinking about the recent debate, while 49 percent thought Trump was. Trump, 78, is only three years younger than Biden and has also faced scrutiny about his age and cognitive ability.

In other words "Swing voters in these states rate the basket case slightly higher than Trump." Fucking polls.

lol well the good thing is approximately half the country wants nothing to do with Trump under any circumstances. That's obviously the best hope for any Democratic candidate. But again, it is asking a whole lot of voters to vote for someone they think is mentally unfit. It would be better not to.

But what's missing is the affirmative case for why he in particular is the best candidate for his party

I think it’s a combination of devil-you-know and that it’s already so late in the game

I’m very, very cautiously assuming the AI tweet was not posted as an endorsement of the idea, due to all of the immediately predictable ways that would backfire…but it would be funny. roman roy ass idea

Yeah, but “devil you know” is clearly working against him at this point. So really the argument becomes “We have a terrible candidate, but oh well it’s too late to do anything.” Which isn’t literally true — they could make a change — but in any case isn’t much of an “affirmative case.”

People have swallowed the AI hype that it can do anything (it cannot, but it can tell you to eat a rock daily).

by devil you know I just meant there are fewer variables to account for

The author of the AI piece btw:

Kaivan Shroff is a progressive voice and strategist with experience working for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign.

Except for the one big variable that is sinking him. Biden has won before, but he has never won as an 81-year-old who 3/4 of the country thinks is unfit for office. I think that takes him out of the known quantity category.

But what's missing is the affirmative case for why he in particular is the best candidate for his party. What strengths does he bring to the ballot that no other top Democrat could bring? If there's not a good answer to that question, then the question is, does he have specific weaknesses and vulnerabilities that other top Democrats wouldn't? If the answer to that is yes — and obviously I think it is — then it's hard to say what the rational basis is for keeping him.

All right, I've eaten a really good lunch and am feeling beneficient. So amuse me. List the candidates you think would do better, and why you think that. "Kamala Harris would be better because A, B, C." "Gretchen Whitmer would be better because A, B, C." "Gavin Newsom would be better because A, B, C." Make the affirmative case for the alternates. I promise to take you seriously.

well if that’s not a good-faith engagement I don’t know what is

they are all better than biden because they don't show signs of dementia which can progress quickly.

I honestly think there is no downside to nominating anyone else. It takes age, Biden’s biggest liability, out of the equation. Running someone younger than Trump would take the question of age and fitness to his side.

I keep voting harder, but these fucking swing states are not in my control

Nominating a woman, especially in light of America being on the cusp of turning into Gilead, is the least the fucking DNC could do

What issues are these other candidates good on? What have they promised to do that would be better than what Biden has accomplished in his first term? On the other hand, what are their vulnerabilities? What repellent views do they hold that will cause leftists to immediately turn on them? What scandals plague them? You can't just say, "Here, this person is A Democratic Politician, But Not As Old. Vote for them for president!" and expect voters to line up like cattle and say, "Yup, count me in!"

Which votes currently going to Biden would not go to Generic Democrat X? Are there any? Are there “Biden or I’m staying home” voters? If that number is zero or negligible — and I haven’t heard any argument for why it’s not — then any candidate who most voters don’t think is physically/mentally unfit would have the advantage of voters not thinking they’re physically/mentally unfit. Not a small thing imo.

"Kamala Harris would be better because A, B, C."

Mehdi Hasan:

On Friday, the day after the debate, Data for Progress published a poll showing Harris performing “the same as Biden in a head-to-head matchup against Trump”. By Tuesday, a CNN poll was showing Harris, unlike Biden, “within striking distance” of Trump, thanks in part to “broader support from women (50% of female voters back Harris over Trump v 44% for Biden against Trump) and independents (43% Harris v 34% Biden)”.

You might not want to believe it, and lazy pundits may say otherwise, but the polling is pretty clear these days: Harris actually has a better chance than Biden of beating Trump. And, unlike the president, the veep’s numbers have – and you’ll be hearing this phrase a great deal in the coming days – room to grow.

Second, there’s her record. With the exception of Biden himself, Harris has served in elected office – as a district attorney, state attorney general, senator and vice-president – longer than any Democrat elected to the White House in my lifetime. As a former prosecutor, she is ideally positioned to make the case against Trump, a convicted felon.

Who do you want standing on stage at the second debate in September, rebutting Trump’s lies, bigotry and nonsense? The woman who went viral when she grilled Bill Barr and Brett Kavanaugh at the Senate judiciary committee, or the man who went viral for saying he’d “beat Medicare”? Who is more likely to highlight Trump’s deeply unpopular stance on abortion? A female candidate who has spent months hammering Trump on abortion and made a historic visit to a Planned Parenthood clinic, or a male candidate who couldn’t answer a simple question on abortion rights without going off on a weird and incoherent tangent about a migrant murderer? Who is going to bring more energy to the Democratic presidential campaign – a vice-president who recently urged an audience of young voters to “kick that fucking door down”, or a president who is only “dependably engaged” between 10am and 4pm?

Third, there’s the Gaza-shaped elephant in the room. Prior to last week’s debate, it wasn’t Biden’s age that I considered to be his biggest electoral liability. It was his horrific stance on Gaza, from his non-stop supply of arms to Israel to his nonexistent “red line” on Rafah. Support for Biden among not just Muslim-American and Arab-American voters, but young and Black voters, has been plummeting since 7 October 2023. More than half a million “uncommitted” Democratic voters, who could affect the results in multiple swing states, have urged the president to end his unconditional support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Given Biden refuses to budge on this issue, a Harris candidacy might offer a fresh start for Democrats on Gaza. Remember the headline in Politico from December? “Kamala Harris pushes White House to be more sympathetic toward Palestinians.” Or the NBC News reporting from March on how Biden’s national security council “toned down parts of her speech” calling for a ceasefire, because the original draft “was harsher on Israel”?

“She is definitely better on Gaza than he is,” a well-connected member of the administration told me a few weeks ago.

To be clear: I’m not saying Joe Biden can’t win or that Kamala Harris won’t lose. I’m simply saying that there is a younger, more popular, more effective campaigner ready and willing to go, who could turn the page on Gaza while giving Trump the rhetorical drubbing he so deserves.

I’m reminding Democrats that they still have time to choose between trying to elect the oldest president in American history, whose age has become a weight around his neck, or trying to elect the first female president, the first Asian American president and the second Black president, which could energize their demoralized base.

American democracy, as Democrats themselves repeatedly tell us, is on the line. And if we all have to join the KHive in order to try to save that democracy … then so be it.

And here's the anonymous "The Case for Kamala" Google doc that's been going around:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xVQ5GXHhl58g2cE35g11llVAUuCQ8Tqa4suUlUEq0DA/edit

What you all are saying with your "I see no downside to swapping Literally Anyone Else for Biden" is that you view Biden as an empty vessel, and/or the presidency as a totally symbolic office for which there are no real qualifications besides just having the right vibe at the right time.

I mean, every conceivable woman they would nominate is center-right like Biden, save for maybe Warren (who is just an awful flip-flopper and will say anything to save her ass)

Biden is an empty vessel. He doesn’t really stand for anything, but he’s good at occasionally giving lip service for LGBTQ people (who are still being fucked over by institutionalized discrimination, poverty, and lack of access to healthcare, but, y’know, optics)

personally i think Newsom is so repellent that he might not be better. But - Kamala would be a better candidate, especially if Biden stepped down and let her take office before the election, because I think it would be a massive relief to a lot of voters to see someone in charge who looks like they're actually up to the job. This is a thing that is bothering like 80% of independent voters! And she might actually have a chance to make an impression on people because there hasn't been massive right-wing messaging about her since they've been so focused on Brandon. I don't doubt the capability of the Democrats to fuck this up but there's at least more of a chance than with Biden! Idk about the leftist reaction, i think it's split between "she's a cop" and "ehh she's a goofy empty suit," but regarding people who are justifiably angry over Gaza, the Biden admin response seems to emanate so much from his particular awfulness that Kamala might win back some votes if he wasn't on the ticket. On that front, Biden isn't an empty vessel, he's worse than average!

What you all are saying with your "I see no downside to swapping Literally Anyone Else for Biden" is that you view Biden as an empty vessel, and/or the presidency as a totally symbolic office for which there are no real qualifications besides just having the right vibe at the right time.

Not at all. It’s that we think there ARE qualifications, and physical/mental fitness and voters’ perception of it is a pretty gigantic one.

You seem to be of the opinion that it doesn’t matter that 75% of the country thinks he is not fit for office. We’ve never been in this position before, so it’s hard to know how to bet on that. But I don’t see any reason for optimism.

and/or the presidency as a totally symbolic office for which there are no real qualifications besides just having the right vibe at the right time.

lol, incredible line of attack while defending the guy that's only functional 6 hours a day

Real Salazar vibes, except no one's brave enough to give Joe a fake Oval Office

It's much harder to make a case for Biden winning another term based on his experience, competence, or character in office, if voters are more than half-convinced that dementia will make those traits disappear in the near-to-mid term future. His past record in office becomes moot under those circumstances. This is the major case for why "Literally Anyone Else for Biden" will be more favorably received by the public.

Prepare to get Ginsburned again

Starting to think that unperson and Joe Biden met on a beach in Delaware at some point and swapped spit.