US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

I do this as well tbh

trump's lack of mental competence was never in question

Leave our king alone. He can still beat up your king.

nothing good happens after 8pm

The 3am call will go to voicemail.

hopefully Russia and Ukraine will understand that they need to move their schedules onto Eastern Daylight Time.

To demonstrate how hard CNN is pushing this story, they say "The comment left several of the governors in the room frustrated"--from one to several.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

really wish we were seeing more conversations about how Stein and RFK should drop out, tbh

#france

Another call with sleepy Joe.

🚨🚨BREAKING: President Biden told Prime Minister Netanyahu in their call that "it is time to close the deal" to release the hostages and reach a ceasefire in Gaza, a White House official said

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) July 4, 2024

Oval Hammock

A preview of at least one thing they'd throw at Harris:

"She's going to constantly be forced to answer a very simple question: 'Why were you hiding Joe Biden’s lack of mental acuity from the American people?'"

She replies "The President is fully capable of performing the job, as our low unemployment, record investment in green energy, and renewed respect around the world will reveal. But because you in the media will not hold the rapist and convicted felon Donald Trump accountable for his misdeeds, we need younger or more energetic forces on the campaign trail to communicate our message of expanding freedoms and an economy that works for everyone, not the few, to the American people. Our opponent has shown real decline in his abilities - why aren't you worried about that? Why aren't you demanding that he drop out, instead of the man presiding over the largest economic expansion of our country's history?"

that works

optional jill stein sidebar (i would post this in a jill stein thread if there was one, sorry):

can anyone sum up the current arguments against jill stein? tbh, i know who she is, i remember friends voting for her in 2016, i remember lots of libs blaming trump's victory on her. so, lots of things that can be summed up as "running as a third party in the united states, which is designed for two parties". the other thing that is always brought up is anti-vaxx stuff (pre-dating covid - not sure of her views on covid). can someone elaborate on those? looking into the past is turning out to be _exceedingly difficult_ on the internet these days. the stuff i can find is not damning exactly damning, but i must be missing something.

besides the third party issue (a huge one, for a voter, but one that is larger than her), and the anti-vaxx stuff (which...i want to know more about), why else are people palpably filled with contempt for her?

context: many of my friends are not voting for biden (due to his steady enabling support of the genocide in gaza). it's missouri. our votes don't count (not for president at least). some of them say they're voting for jill stein. so, what would you say to them? the 2016/third party stuff is the reason i won't vote for her, and i've made that point before. it's not persuasive, to many people. she recently got beaten up by the cops here in st louis, at a protest. people find that inspiring! so, if i'm going to be against her candidacy it would probably be good for me to understand why a vote for her is more than a "wasted" vote

If you're a Green Party member, then by all means, vote for Jill

that works

how well that works depends entirely on how it's delivered. otherwise it dissolves in listeners minds into more political blah-blah.

the "Green" party in the US is a grift, plain and simple (xxp)

more to the point, why keep running performative presidential candidates who will never win? because that brings donations, not slowly building a coalition from the ground up with local offices first

more to the point, why keep running performative presidential candidates who will never win? because that brings donations, not slowly building a coalition from the ground up with local offices first

You will never, ever, ever convince people of this.

"We've gotta break the duopoly, maaaaan!" [giant bong rip]

if by "people" you mean "the people who actually believe that a 3rd party candidate can magically become president", then yes

again, if the greens cared about anything besides grifting people every four years we would have had green members of congress decades ago

sleeve otm. their popular support is static. they can't be said to be serious.

the most frustrating thing about it is that I am like the ideal target market for a viable, progressive 3rd party! lord I hate them.

Jill Stein is an embarrassment but the Green Party platform sucks in 2024.

Trump now six points ahead. Motherfucker, drop out

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-leads-biden-new-polls-by-new-york-times-wall-street-journal-2024-07-03/

Trump now six points ahead. Motherfucker, drop out

Shit! And the election's tomorrow! This is a catastrophe!

I mean, if you truly think this will turn around, power to you. Some of us need to be realists

Trump now six points ahead. Motherfucker, drop out

What was Clinton's margin in July of '16?

there isn't going to be a viable third (or fourth) party in this country unless the GOP splits in two, which looked possible a few years ago and now seems very unlikely

Don’t worry. Biden will be much younger by November.

The curious case of Benjamin Biden

I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now

I don't know why I'm watching this

lol wrong thread

it's not

lol was gonna say

why are any of us watching any of this

Why are any of us

Don’t worry. Biden will be much younger by November.

Yeah this is the problem with comparisons to past campaigns in trouble. Biden’s central weakness isn’t ideological or cosmetic, it’s biological.

My partner has CP and uses a walker, and this does strike me as ableist bullshit

Joe Biden, abetted by his family, senior staff and elites, insists he is still up to the world’s toughest job.

His claim that this election is between right and wrong is ruined by the fact that the existence of his campaign now depends on a lie https://t.co/dc06TfRHL8 👇

— The Economist (@TheEconomist) July 4, 2024

I'm really surprised they'd use that photo--cruel. Bet it doesn't stay online long.

President Biden sought to steady his re-election campaign by talking with two Black radio hosts for interviews broadcast on Thursday, but he spoke haltingly at points during one interview and struggled to find the right phrase in the other, saying that he was proud to have been “the first Black woman to serve with a Black president.”

ok at the very least we’re going to get some memes out of these next few months

Some of this is just guy-who-garbles-his-speech-sometimes but he's gonna get zero forgiveness at this point.

A Morbs thread, naturally: The articulate Vice President Joe Biden thread

Some of this is just guy-who-garbles-his-speech-sometimes but he's gonna get zero forgiveness at this point.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, July 4, 2024 9:51 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I just listened to it and this description is charitable.

I know that a stutterer speaking 'haltingly' is not indicative of much and that Joe has a long history of verbal gaffes, but this does seem to me like slippage.

I try to remind myself that while Biden may sit at the pinnacle of the executive branch, ultimately he stands up there supported by the whole of the Democratic coalition, which raised him up there on a platform of people and policies they will pursue regardless. They are the substance of his presidency. They won't follow him very far away from their interests into the weeds of confusion.

It's the voters I worry about. They don't seem to understand the first damn thing about what they're doing. Too many of them have all the political sophistication typical of 16 year olds.

I haven't listened, fully accept that it's bad. Just saying that even normal word salad that would have breezed by in the past will get skewered now. Makes campaigning hazardous.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html

Those who encountered the president in social settings sometimes left their interactions disturbed. Longtime friends of the Biden family, who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, were shocked to find that the president did not remember their names. At a White House event last year, a guest recalled, with horror, realizing that the president would not be able to stay for the reception because, it was clear, he would not be able to make it through the reception. The guest wasn’t sure they could vote for Biden, since the guest was now open to an idea that they had previously dismissed as right-wing propaganda: The president may not really be the acting president after all.

Others told me the president was becoming increasingly hard to get ahold of, even as it related to official government business, the type of things any U.S. president would communicate about on a regular basis with high-level officials across the world. Biden instead was cocooned within mounting layers of bureaucracy, spoken for more than he was speaking or spoken to.

Saying hello to one Democratic megadonor and family friend at the White House recently, the president stared blankly and nodded his head. The First Lady intervened to whisper in her husband’s ear, telling him to say “hello” to the donor by name and to thank them for their recent generosity. The president repeated the words his wife had fed him. “It hasn’t been good for a long time but it’s gotten so, so much worse,” a witness to the exchange told me. “So much worse!”

He just needs an Arsenio moment, maybe playing a mouth harp.

Very unsettling to see the media going all in on this (as they should) while being fairly certain at this point that the only way he’s going to be replaced is death.

Maybe some of these leakers could have started last November…

My god, it’s Ron and Nancy in ‘87 all over again

LOL at some butthurt donor not being IMMEDIATELY recognized by POTUS.