US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

Thinking about a Trump presidency and who would be the leader of the Democratic opposition at that point. If they take/keep at least one house of Congress, then I guess it would be the speaker or majority leader. Because there will need to some pretty good rapid response organization pretty quick. Not counting on it, but I hope someone's thinking about it.

the dems need fighters. tough people. they don't have any. younger people too. people who can figure out ways to maneuver in this insane world. people who know how to use a computer. i can't even think of a politician that i respect or admire other than my beloved lesbian governor. i kinda like adam kinzinger! haha! he seems to take death threats in stride. i admire that. he's pro-life though. i don't actually know much about him.

He endorsed Biden before the debate lol

It would be bonkers if Biden won in Georgia again. I am very skeptical of that happening.

He endorsed Biden before the debate lol

yup, I got that email: "I'm a proud conservative, BUT..."

Speaking of Georgia, where is the outrage from Democratic leaders over goddamn Cop City? Oh, right, they gave them MORE money after 2020

Was that a federal issue?

where is the outrage from Democratic leaders and advocacy/legal groups about the successful Republican efforts at purging voter rolls by the 10s of 1000s in Georgia, especially in Fulton county?

It is one of the reasons I think that of all of the 2020 blue states, Georgia is the least likely to repeat

I know this is an obvious point, and I also recognize that comparing polls across decades needs a lot of caveats, but still it's worth looking at the approval ratings: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

At this point in his term, Biden is polling behind every incumbent president of the past 80 years except for Carter. Including GHW Bush and Trump, who of course both lost. There is no historical precedent for an incumbent in that position winning a second term. So to think he has a decent chance, you have to believe the guy we saw on Thursday — and the campaign team that put him there — is capable of a historical electoral surge.

so you really do hate him

???

Literally just posting facts dude. If he was polling at even 46 percent I'd have a lot less of a sinking feeling. But he's not. Are you saying you think this is the guy to pull off a history-defying upset?

As my son said today, "I don't hate Biden. I wish he was on a beach somewhere having a nice chocoloate-chocolate chip ice cream cone and enjoying his retirement." Which is most likely where he'll be a year from now.

Well at least we know he won’t be in prison

biden isn't going to step down, he's going to lose, dnc will do their usual thing and milk outrage for donations along the way - this is who they are. turns out you can't win with one hand pointing at outrage and the other crumpling under any pressure and just fucking everyone over who isn't dead-ass rich.

“The Biden campaign needs to hammer all the recent SCOTUS decisions: you vote Trump, here’s what you get. You vote third party, or stay home, here’s what you get. “ the problem is people will say they booted for Biden and that’s what they got anyway. I’m not agreeing with them per se, but there’s no reason to think any of those justices are going to die in the next four years and give a dem pres a chance to even things out.

Haha “booted”. Voted.

massachusetts really likes republican governors. though now we have our beloved dem lesbian to lead us into victory. wait can she be president? she's cool.

― scott seward, Monday, July 1, 2024 4:21 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hold on now — you like healy?

but there’s no reason to think any of those justices are going to die in the next four years and give a dem pres a chance to even things out

Biden has the greenlight to order drone strikes on their homes now, though.

Need some propaganda of the deed liberalism.

biden isn't going to step down, he's going to lose, dnc will do their usual thing and milk outrage for donations along the way - this is who they are. turns out you can't win with one hand pointing at outrage and the other crumpling under any pressure and just fucking everyone over who isn't dead-ass rich.

Boot now or die

that post is completely incoherent and you guys are sad

xp to tipsy: I don't think Biden will have to have an upset or a history-defying win, I don't think he will lose. The polls are bullshit and the poll predictions aren't "facts". I think you and your son are wrong.

I just don't believe there is any way - with Roe v Wade especially, but also 34 felony convictions and now the insane Supreme Court decision - that Trump will win this election

xp to table

you are literally making posts about how your feelings about things count more than verifiable facts and map and i are the ones being incoherent? please

FAKE NEWS

akm, I hear you and I agree. I just feel like current anger at a completely rogue Supreme Court (and I feel like what we’ve seen is just the tip of the iceberg) is a vote-motivating factor. Since Trump now apparently can’t be prosecuted for anything. Is that what “undecided” or unmotivated voters really want?

I just don't believe there is any way - with Roe v Wade especially, but also 34 felony convictions and now the insane Supreme Court decision - that Trump will win this election

This is where I am, and where I've always been. I like Biden more than most people here, or more than the loudest people here, anyway, but more than that I simply don't believe that people are going to vote for Donald Trump.

Apparently Biden just addressed the SCOTUS decision.

I appreciate the facts and analysis.

I didn't think "least serial killer like" was at all an implication that any of the candidates in Arizona is likeable. As a woman I was and remain livid about Dobbs, and these kind of articles (though frustratingly formatted) do reinforce my motivation to keep talking about it and to spend some time in Maricopa County this fall.

Re: Biden addressing SCOTUS

It was another stern “tsk tsk” bullshit talk with a Teleprompter and no questions from the press. This is a fucking joke

okay, I'm not watching

I simply don't believe that people are going to vote for Donald Trump.

What makes you think people won't vote for Trump? I think tens of millions are going to do just this. This doesn't feel like something you can rely on

It really is. They’re gonna panic and send thousands of fundraising emails but won’t actually outline a plan to combat this, even as Trump swears on retribution. Maybe people would talk about your age a little less if you could show you’re possible of rising to the occasion. It’s so fucking pathetic.

It really is. They’re gonna panic and send thousands of fundraising emails but won’t actually outline a plan to combat this, even as Trump swears on retribution. Maybe people would talk about your age a little less if you could show you’re possible of rising to the occasion. It’s so fucking pathetic.

Oh, I know people will vote for Trump. They drive scary vroom vroom trucks they can’t afford in order to intimidate us and ward off potential mates

table - poll numbers are only 'verifiable facts' if you believe them.

You guys are like the stoners and outcasts I huddled with in my rural high school, trying to hide our pot smoking in the back woods over lunch from the teachers and conjuring our own canon of music, film, literature. Not part of the elite, the beautiful people, the jocks, or the brainiacs, just the stoners and the outcasts. I loved them and felt like I was a part of them, but they were very paranoid

Re: Biden addressing SCOTUS

It was another stern “tsk tsk” bullshit talk with a Teleprompter and no questions from the press. This is a fucking joke

t was another stern “tsk tsk” bullshit talk with a Teleprompter and no questions from the press. This is a fucking joke

Press conferences are Beltway drivel. The questions are nonsense -- and I was saying this when Bush II was president. We don't need them in 2024 when social media exists -- though this means a White House has gotta be GOOD at social media.

jeez I think his address is pretty okay, I dunno

of course they all switch back and forth reading teleprompter screens, that's been standard for a long time

Trump's misreading of the teleprompter has been hilarious/horrifying on many occasions

Isn't it more paranoid to believe that every poll (election and approval) is a damn dirty lie?

He sounded fine -- he had his B-12 shots. It seemed to have offered more assurance to the Not Very Online locals in a WhatsApp thread I'm on.

I just don't know if his ah moderation is what this world-historic moment demands.

of course they all switch back and forth reading teleprompter screens, that's been standard for a long time

Trump's misreading of the teleprompter has been hilarious/horrifying on many occasions

I don't think there's anything paranoid about thinking that either candidate in a two horse race has a really great chance of winning, especially given the problems of their respective opponents.

What I find more difficult to understand is having a definitive opinion on an outcome that doesn't seem particularly predictable

Well, this moment is a bit different, don’t you think? He urgently needs to dispel the notion that all he can do is read

― calstars, Monday, July 1, 2024

You really want him improvising? After all we've known about him for 40 years?

The only prez I've ever seen able to do it was Bill Clinton. Even Obama was better with prepared texts.

that post is completely incoherent and you guys are sad

real saddos get wrapped up in presidential elections 😎

I simply don't believe that people are going to vote for Donald Trump.

I’m assuming you mean “enough people,” since obviously tens of millions of people are definitely going to. I hope that’s true, but tbh he got way more votes in both 2016 and 2020 than I expected, so I’m not gonna lowball him this time.

I don't think Biden will have to have an upset or a history-defying win

But that’s quite literally what he needs. No incumbent president with his abysmal approval has won reelection in the history of approval ratings. That obviously doesn’t mean it can’t happen, there are a lot of unprecedented things in this election already. But it means that the exactly what it will take: a history-defying and -making victory.

The only prez I've ever seen able to do it was Bill Clinton.

I know we're all generally in agreement that he sucked & I don't dispute it but his ability to adjust on the fly & recalibrate was breathtaking

all of you are sad fwiw. you keep talking about ratings and failing

and xxp calstars no I don't think this moment was different

but I guess for all of you and the hair-on-fire media it just has to be about Biden and any perceived mistakes he might make, regardless of the content of his speech

and those really dismissive questions at the end: "what makes you so confident you should be the president"?

I mean, well, "because I am?" and "because who gives you ridiculously arrogant columnists and your op-eds with no knowledge of politics a say in who should be president?"

dan i'm trying my best not to make fun of you and stuff, but it's the combo of you being a complete dick about the way you're communicating with people + being so wrong that's getting to me, plus to be honest the whole situation with sliding into fascism and stuff. it's just too much, all at once. it's ok if you're a complete dick, but you should be correct more often. if you're wrong as often as you are, you should be a less of a dick. the fascism stuff isn't your fault

If there's anything we all agree on, it's that every NYT columnist except Bouie and maybe Michelle Goldberg should be thrown out of a helicopter.