Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Late to the party, traveling all day, although I was apprised of the news by a phone call from my gleeful uncle shouting "34 COUNTS! GUILTY!" I'm now properly equipped with a Oaxacan negroni, with a side of schadenfreude. People can spin it however they want, "convicted felon" stings and he's unhappy about it. Good enough for me.

he also pointed out that people in NY that are convicted of this do not typically get jail time, which is fair enough I guess altho I want BLOOD

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, May 30, 2024 9:46 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

true but Cohen already got sentenced to jail for his role in this, also Trump shit talk the judge AND HIS FAMILY constantly, generally that means they go pretty hard on you. plus what other kind of punishment would at all be meaningful? a fine he won't pay? community service he won't serve? probation or house arrest where he'd just get exemptions to do everything he normally would anyway? at the same time the act of throwing a current presidential nominee in jail in the middle of a campaign is such a significant step, probably something you just can't do for the health of the nation, though I 100% wanna see them try

“We’re keeping a list, we’ll be checking it twice and we aren’t in the spirit of Christmas.”

wonder if other fascist regimes said shit like this

no better than Judge Merchan’s daughter

Right-wing media reference points are so weird.

Hi, tipsy!

cheers

Also (and lets dare to dream) all those contempt findings are banked so it can be ‘in light of your behavior in this process…’ he just goes in the clink pending appeal. Also he’s totally going to rip the jury at some point in the next week

"at the same time the act of throwing a current presidential nominee in jail in the middle of a campaign is such a significant step"

I 100% get that but hopefully Merchan is aware that Trump and the entire GOP won't hesitate to throw him in jail for his role in this trial given the opportunity.

"the opportunity" being Trump getting reelected

you know there will be some (attempted) retribution via Hunter Biden or something

if hunter biden did a crime in some red state i am absolutely fine with him being tried for it, go crazy

it is happening

Trump says he's the victim of political prosecutions hatched by Biden/Dems.

Important to note: Hunter Biden goes on trial Monday on federal gun charges (rarely tried in court) brought by a Trump-appointed prosecutor, overseen by a Trump-appointed judge, under a Biden DOJ.

— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) May 30, 2024

Lets do it and be legends

24 hours in jail will make him start shitting his pants and saving his urine in jars

I'm not giving any creedence to Trump's "election interference" claims, I mean this is why you don't nominate a dude who's been charged with a hundred felonies to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, but obviously it's about way more than Trump, it's the political future of this country, there are so many things that hinge on this, I really don't know what you do here, I kinda fear the fact that we even have to ask means it's over for us

re: jail time

https://mitchellepner.substack.com/p/donald-trump-found-guilty-on-all

What Is The Typical Sentence For These Offenses?

In my training and experience, the typical sentence for a non-violent, non-drug, first-offender convicted of an E felony in NY is probation. There have been similar defendants sentenced to prison. My friend Diana Florence (who spent more than 25 years as an Assistant DA in Manhattan) tried and convicted many other white collar criminals in similar cases. She has been telling me (and the press) that she thinks a prison sentence is warranted and may be imposed (https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/28/trump-merchan-sentencing-prison-00151613)

Can Justice Merchan Consider Trump’s Contempts Of Court?

Yes, Justice Merchan can consider Donald Trump’s 11 contempts of court in determining what sentence to impose. Justice Merchan can consider any factor in deciding what sentence to impose, other than forbidden categories such as race, gender, religion, etc.

In fact, Justice Merchan is required to consider the need for specific deterrence and general deterrence. “Specific deterrence” means imposing a sentence that prevents Donald Trump from committing the same crimes again. “General deterrence” means imposing a sentence that cautions the general public against committing these crimes.

“General deterrence” means imposing a sentence that cautions the general public against committing these crimes.

that's what gets me most about this thing, it's just such a bad example for the kids

"“Mr Trump, it’s important to understand that the last thing I want to do is to put you in jail. You are the former president of the United States and possibly the next president, as well,” Merchan said on 6 May, when he issued a $1,000 fine holding Trump in contempt of court for the 10th time. He went on to explain why putting Trump in jail at that time was “truly a last resort for me … I also worry about the people who would have to execute that sanction: the court officers, the correction officers, the Secret Service detail, among others. I worry about them and about what would go into executing such a sanction."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/29/what-if-trump-guilty-prison-fine

But keep up the prosecutions, he might get a heart attack.

I've not read the graun piece, but I thought that Merchan quote was referring to the logistical problems of banging him up in the courthouse cell for his continuous gag order violations. He probably isn't going to jail but sentencing decisions on Trump who is now a confirmed felon, the ex-pres stuff shouldn't really be a factor.

Sure, I thought that piece was ok on giving the logistics of "how does a former president go to jail".

obv they'll have to build a 5 star luxury castle for him in some secret location, with a master wigmaker and a golden crapper.

Golden slop out bucket.

Republicans have been the ones throwing roadblocks at getting rid of the felon voting issue, even in states where referendums about allowing them to vote after spent convictions have passed. AFAIC the current law, kept in place by his political allies/party, should mean he loses the right to vote, seeing as he’s always loudly demanded others n this situation must suffer that penalty.

I think one way this will hurt him with low information swing voters (apart from the obvious) is that he won’t be able to shut up about this until November. he’s gonna keep complaining about it at every opportunity and normal people are gonna find it boring.

My right-wing BIL thinks he’s too rich to go to jail, LOL

he also pointed out that people in NY that are convicted of this do not typically get jail time, which is fair enough I guess altho I want BLOOD

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, May 30, 2024 10:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

saw a former ny prosecutor on tv saying that in their experience someone convicted of all of many counts of this level of crime who was also repeatedly in contempt of court and will no doubt not show contrition at sentencing does usually get locked up

Even if he gets a couple days or a week or two, I’m good. Just something.

I’d be fine with an hour to be honest

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/worst-nyc-landlord-attacked-rikers/5252525/

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mmmm, some fake news with my coffee in the morning...

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happy belated Father Theresa Day!

i really honestly avoid late night talk shows now but did see the Kimmel Jake Byrd segment with the Father Theresa sign; amazing that he got picked up on CNN as a legit supporter

Father Treason surely

good one Pesky

Kremlin attacks Trump verdict as 'elimination of political rivals'
The Kremlin told reporters on Friday that Donald Trump’s guilty verdict was proof that all legal and illegal means were being used in the United States to get rid of political rivals”, Reuters is reporting.

“The fact that a de-facto elimination of political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means is going on there is obvious,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

it was a good one. and yeah that jake byrd thing was nuts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaVxD7s4_tA

oh man trump is doing a press conference this morning? i wonder if he'll say something crazy and reckless or if he'll be solemn and presidential.

lmao Jake Byrd is so good at this

xp i wonder!!

lol Scott

this is going to be a great time to go to NYC now that all the smelly MAGAs are boycotting

just reported that they took the teleprompter down at the press conference...its freestyle time.

Rapping off the dome

I don't need him to go to jail and I never expected that he would go to jail. House arrest for the rest of his life at Mar a Lago would be just dandy. And then when he inevitably violates the terms of his house arrest within a single-digit number of days then, yes, haul his ass off to gen pop.

From POLITICO:

Trump simply cannot beat President Joe Biden relying solely on the votes of people who think his legal travails are a politically motivated scam, and who cheer Trump not in spite of his transgressions but because of them. Or, more specifically, because they thrill to the outrage and indignation Trump inspires among his adversaries.

There are plenty of such people — enough to power this generation’s most important political movement — but still not enough to win the election. Trump’s only path to victory is a coalition that includes many Republicans and independents who find him deplorable but think a second Biden term would be even more so.

That is why — even as the full consequences likely will emerge slowly — this week was easily the worst so far this year for Trump and the best for Biden.

This doesn’t mean the Manhattan verdict will suddenly transform the race — nothing in Trump’s history of scandal suggests it will. This doesn’t mean huge legions of swing voters will suddenly agree with Biden’s argument that democracy itself is on the ballot this fall. If someone wasn’t buying that up until now, why would a case of document falsification to cover up an alleged sexual indiscretion change their mind?

It does mean that many voters who don’t much like Biden received an emphatic, unambiguous reminder of why they don’t like Trump. The movement of even a small percentage of voters in closely contested swing states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — all must-win for Biden — could echo decisively through the balance of the race.

i.e. what frogbs has been repeating for months

If any undecided moron voter is more inclined to vote for Trump because of this, they were gonna vote for him anyway.

overheard the cashier at the local market this morning say that she wishes mrs. obama would run. and they were surprised that someone convicted of a crime could still be president.

this week was easily the worst so far this year for Trump and the best for Biden.

start the countdown for this writer getting fired

I fully expect Trump's NYT obituary (in the year 2149 or whatever) to immediately explain how his death is bad for the long-deceased Biden

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in the year 2525
Donald Trump will still be alive