Liverpool still won't win the premiership (2007/08 edition)

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wait, whut? i don't get NASN with the XL pack??? man, i'm SO p!ssed off with virgin since they dropped sky and sky sports news anyways, maybe i'll ring them up and tell them i'm going to sky unless they are very very nice to me (ie free baseball)...

CarsmileSteve, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link

the site i use seems to have pretty much every game played that night/day, including non-Sky prem, serie a, bundesliga, la liga. the quality is shite and sometimes it'll cut out mid-pass, but that adds to the fun and is still better than martin tyler.

Pete W, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Why do you want to watch baseball, you nutjobs?

I recorded last night's "Football Years" which was 1980/1981 and I am just going to watch that every week for the duration of the season.

I also watched that New York Cosmos documentary and thought well, what a lot of fuss about nothing.

PJ Miller, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

So how about that whole Spurs breaking the Big Four thing, then?

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 11 August 2007 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the initial giddy rush of enthusiasm and optimism in every Spurs fan evaporated the moment they saw that team sheet. Forty odd million spent and Paul Stalteri and Anthony Gardner are still managing to make the team. No width at all either.

Plus, I already hate this man:

http://www.expressandstar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mcshane1.jpg

Sunderland will be absolutely fine in the Premiership by the looks of things.

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 August 2007 10:58 (sixteen years ago) link

mcshane wouldn't have looked as good if the ref hadn't seemed determined to allow as many niggly fouls on berbatov as possible.

and, ok, nobody wanted to see gardner or stalteri on the team sheet yesterday (let alone tainio on he right wing, come on BMJ this doesn't work) but to be fair the real problem yesterday was the rank performance from jenas in midfield, i've never seen a spurs player look less interested. does he think he's still at newcastle or something?

i'm glad i predicted blackburn to finish above us, as i'm sure at this stage spurs are gonna finish below fifth. i don't understand the optimism when we haven't signed a single player to solve our problem area, and blew a wad on positions that weren't a priority.

bmj out!

/rant

darraghmac, Sunday, 12 August 2007 11:10 (sixteen years ago) link

At least Arsenal are a goal down.

Also, Birmingham to pull off a gritty draw against Chelsea. I'm calling it.

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 August 2007 12:13 (sixteen years ago) link

jens lehmann ftw

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link

what a tw@! that is a beautiful thing.

birmingham going for the roller-coaster draw instead, by the looks of things.

CarsmileSteve, Sunday, 12 August 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Goalies arsing things up = comedy gold (unless it's your team's goalie)

ailsa, Sunday, 12 August 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Great moment just now: Alan Green says "Reading must be hoping that they'll get a set-piece, and that Kitson, with hsi ability in the air, could possibly nick them all three points" and then Kitson gets sent off three seconds later.

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I've played Dave Kitson at Scrabble, FYI.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 12 August 2007 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Did he get within 200 points?

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

We played twice, one win apiece. Surprisingly literate for a footballer/ginger

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 12 August 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

That's actually quite refreshing. I must try and catch him in interview. (I don't think he'll be interviewed today, somehow.) Whereabouts did you meet him?

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link

(as Reading hold United to a stalemate, with Rooney metatarsalled and O'Shea the latest striking sensation at Old Trafford.)

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

That was possibly the most one-sided 0-0 I have ever seen. I have absolutely no idea how Man Utd did not win that game (actually, I do, Hahnemann played an absolute blinder). That said, I'm not sure Reading were even remotely interested in attacking for most of it.

If he wants to become a big Man Utd player, Nani will need to get one composure and stop giving the ball away like that.

Also, LOL Paul Kitson.

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 August 2007 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Paul Kitson once scored a hat-trick for West Ham at The Valley in a 4-4 draw. Dave Kitson got sent off for Reading today. :p

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link

the most one-sided 0-0 I have ever seen

You didn't see Liverpool 0-0 Charlton a couple of seasons ago.

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, got my mediocre Premiership cloggers mixed up.

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 August 2007 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Rooney has broken his foot apparently. England are not going to Euro 2008.

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 August 2007 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

call up paul kitson

Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link

this is such a great picture
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44054000/jpg/_44054099_reading203.jpg

ken c, Monday, 13 August 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link

That's some kung fu movie shit right there.

That mong guy that's shit, Monday, 13 August 2007 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I think Liverpool might well win the Premiership this year. Then again, I think most other teams will as well. Except Villa.

PJ Miller, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Top of the league. Kiss my face.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link

note to martin jol: 3 into 2 won't go

Just got offed, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link

still picked jenas and berbatov after saturday's embarassment. plays robbie keane at right midfield, leaves one right midfielder on the left and our best one on the bench. leaves huddlestone on the bench all game.

still picking paul robinson.

still picking paul robinson.

still picking paul robinson.

he doesn't have any tactical knowledge. he can't change a game. he never, never picks the best eleven available. he never drops a player.

he wasted 17 million on a fourth best striker when we needed a midfielder that can pass and a left back (which is not gareth bale, by the way)

jol out.

darraghmac, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link

When, if ever, did you stop thinking Tottenham were one of The Big Clubs?

onimo, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link

oh christ I'm going to cop it in work tomorrow

Matt, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link

still picking paul robinson.

he doesn't have any tactical knowledge. he can't change a game. he never, never picks the best eleven available. he never drops a player.

wow how ever did Spurs manage to finish 5th last season with such a useless coach. and picking the England #1, i ask you!

blueski, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

do you mean how did they manage to finish behind liverpool and arsenal despite both being poor in the league and despite spending more than any team after chelsea since jol came in?

i don't know.

and picking the england no. 1?

there are at least three better english goalies in the league. and there are at least ten better goalies in the league, never mind the world (which we are allowed to buy from).

are you even being sarcastic?

darraghmac, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Typical whingeing Spurs fan.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link

:)

I'm more of a typical apprehensive Spurs fan, I think. Not really a great start. I think I might get the hell away from merseyside for a couple of days.

Matt, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't look at me, I support Man City. Nice to see a big club back where they belong.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I switched my support to Fort William a long time ago.

Matt, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

lol @ england no.1 = good

ken c, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

no-one claimed he was good

blueski, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Seriously though, advocating sacking the manager who has delivered a proper European run plus back to back 5th places for the first time since the 1980s after a couple of dodgy results is BBC website at best.

We're in the middle of a serious injury crisis, especially in defence (what was wrong with Kaboul?) With the best pre-season planning in the world I really don't think Jol could have expected to start the season with Paul Stalteri, Anthony Gardner and Ricardo Rocha making up three quarters of the back four, and it was defensive fuckups that led to at least two of the Everton goals.

That said, I think Spurs may continue to come undone if Jol doesn't get a bit more ruthless with his team selection. Playing three strikers just didn't work, especially when you ended up with people hoofing up long balls to them, bypassing the midfield which still had no width in any case. Ditto failing to make proper use of what is a very big squad - if you have no wingers, why start with Wayne Routledge on the bench? What is the point of buying Taarabt if not to play him in these situations?

Also Defoe was by the far the best of the four strikers today, let that be a lesson to you.

Fair play to Everton though. Lescott is a fantastic player, would love to him in my team.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Robert Green on life in the West Ham dressing room: "The other players think I'm a weirdo as it is. I was scorned this week for saying I hated Big Brother. I can't think of anything more boring than watching people sitting in a room. Comments like that don't go down too well"

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 08:10 (sixteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/6947333.stm

Roy Keane is RAGING

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 08:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Jeez, that Spurs team last night - Robinson, Stalteri, Gardner, Rocha, Routledge, Jenas, Malbranque - these are not good players. I know it's difficult to get proper strength in depth when you're not one of the big four, but really, is that the best around?

Martin Jol - Claudio Ranieri in a fat suit? Discuss.

Pete W, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, the opposite problem to Ranieri. Jol refuses to change things, even when it's patently not working. And that isn't just during games, that's from week to week.

Even allowing for the fact that Jol is sticking to the same underperforming players every week (whether in the right position or not) and isn't using his squad (see point about Taraabt above), Spurs are at least two players off competing for that fourth spot, and that's when we get all the injured players back.

And centre back wasn't really the problem last night, the real issue was left back. And we didn't buy one of those this summer (Jol has been quoted as saying he sees Bale as a winger).

When you see individually less gifted players hand out a beating like that last night (and it could have been more, let's face it) then you have to wonder how good we will ever be under Jol.

Spurs will not qualify for the UEFA cup this year through the league.

darraghmac, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link

ironic thing about this year might be, that the 'top 4' may be able to lose a couple more than the last couple of years, as the 2nd tier have spent so much, with some looking really not bad...this means that its actually the 2nd tier that might need to be hitting the ground running, and its this that doesnt bode well for spurs. of course its very early days, but blackburn, everton, mancity(!!!), newcastle...could all conceivably rack up good early points

Filey Camp, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Ranieri comparison was more that he can take a club so far, but no further. The way Spurs folded in the 3-3 at the Bridge last season was very Ranieriesque. I remember us going up to Old Trafford, battering United, going 1-0 up and then taking off all our forwards as we waited for the inevitable United winner (Forlan, 90).

Pete W, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Have Spurs spent as much as Ranieri did at Chelsea now?

the Ranieri comparison was more that he can take a club so far, but no further.

He wasn't given the chance to take them further - unless there really was a big shared sense of 'well you've taken us to our highest league position in decades, but clearly there is no way you'd actually be able to maintain/improve on this especially with our new oligarch chairman with bags of cash, so bye bye'. Had this argument before I know, but hindsight so overbearing.

blueski, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm enjoying being a newscastle fan one game in.

It won't last

secondhandnews, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, it isn't hindsight on my behalf!

Point taken though, Ranieri was supported by the majority of the fans (largely because the alternative was Sven). And he did get us into the Champions League after spending zero in the summer and took us to a supine defeat in the Cup final, which were genuine achievements. But he spent a lot and won squat - them is the facts.

Pete W, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:55 (sixteen years ago) link

everton in top of league shocker. (did something similar last year iirc)

koogs, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 09:55 (sixteen years ago) link


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