Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

but yeah it's gonna come down to what exactly the jury is supposed to determine, it does feel like the prosecution has done their homework though in framing this to fit exactly what they're accusing him of, while the defense is just trying to challenge and "what if" everything which I don't think juries respond favorably to

obviously there could easily be a hung jury or some sort of mistrial but I'd be absolutely stunned at this point if they returned a not guilty verdict

I wonder if a normal defendant in this situation would let his lawyers argue this crime should only be charged as a misdemeanor. But Trump's maximalist approach won't allow his team to concede anything.

Even if he makes loads of dosh out of this, Todd Blanche will eventually, or probs already is rueing the day he left a good job to make Trump his only client. It must be such a high stress job dealing with this child every day in such a serious court case!

The farting alone...

I'm far from a legal expert but yeah I thought their best shot was not to argue the facts of the case (which are probably irrefutable, since Trump is not very good at covering his tracks) but rather just say, of course I wanted to hide it for the sake of my wife, I wasn't really thinking about the election, this is just how I do everything. idk if it's a solid case but if the accusation is that this was done as a campaign thing you might be able to score some points that way.

the defense for the trial I was on did pretty much the same thing Trump's lawyers are - challenging everything, trying to throw doubt on every aspect of the prosecution, making it sound like everything was some grand conspiracy against his client. and he actually did have a few solid arguments in there. but none of us really considered any of it because it was so clear that the defense was just throwing shit at the wall while the prosecution very much had their ducks in a row.

wait, can they call melania to the stand? maybe she knew about the stormy lady all along. then it was definitely all about the election.

i mean it obviously was about the election...

wives can legally ignore subpoenas to testify against their husbands

So this comes down to his intentions? I thought the crime was where the money came from and he was using it inappropriately?

Multi xp the ‘Pedo trial’ was in front of a jury. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593.amp

One difference I guess is Musk was a less toxic figure in the public imagination compared to now.

also (very unfortunately) the caver's lawyer was l. lin wood, who did win not-dissimilar cases a long age ago but latterly became very much a total crackpot unable to put a good case together: last year he retired from practice rather than face disbarment over his activities pursing trump's 2020 election fraud case -- my impression is that the caver was pretty badly advised but also deeply unlucky in his choice of representation and strategy

(and of course musk could pay for excellent lawyers, and unleashed them)

musk's "I was obviously joking" argument was pretty watertight iiuc. the jury returned the verdict in like 10 minutes. the trump trial is nothing like that.

why aren't you guys talking about the judge threatening trump with jail?

He should stop threatening it and actually do it.

because nobody believes the judge would actually make good on his threat

^^^

I mean, the judge is the one who will have to live with the death threats that come daily for probably the rest of his life if/when he decides that, so I'm not saying that he shouldn't do it, as he's the one that took the job, but I think he's trying to avoid it as long as he can until he can't realistically do it anymore or until (he hopes, incorrectly) Trump stops.

An aneurysm would stop him.

Wouldn't a couple nights in jail play into Trump's messiah shit? 'They're actually coming after you, but they have to get through me first!'
that's his whole schtick now

I feel like it'd help w/ his base (which, who cares), but he'd act like such a petulant baby, talking about the trials and tribulations of his 3 years in max (after a 2 day county stay), and quite ironically, it might be the first time anybody who votes R giving a fuck about conditions in jail

like he probably would never shut up about it

I just hope that he does jail Trump for contempt and that 2-3 days in the slammer is devastating to his physical and mental wellbeing.

he can still do so much trash-talking within the bounds of the gag order. It seems Merchan is probably shitting it and would probably only lock him up for an hour or something. Probably doesn't want the lasting notoriety of being first judge to lock up an ex-pres in a cell.

it would help him a lot in terms of fundraising but electorally I feel like getting thrown in jail because you couldn't shut the fuck up is probably a bad thing

there's also a chance if he was remanded to jail that he'd briefly resist, for a fleeting second, and then suddenly take an accidental blow to the chest that gave him an arrhythmia and oh no the parademic was just too late to get there see his hot dog cart order was just taking too long.

*paramedic

trump does not want to go to jail. it would be good if he went to jail.

for once he wasn't posting incessantly on Truth Social during the lunch break...I think he's spooked

I can't help but wonder how Trump being jailed would be bad for Biden. Perhaps the NYT can shed some light.

haha otm

his whole shtick is kayfabe 'nothing is real but money, i'm an obnoxious slob and it doesn't matter because i inherited $400,000,000.' when you come off the top of a steel cage that's two stories above the concrete arena floor you're not supposed to actually go to the hospital though, or get charged with injuring your opponent. maybe a little reality and consequences would finally make a difference in this whole abject charade?

just imagine the first food order Trump tries to place in jail and is told he can't get McDonald's there

"when i'm President again, the very first act is to make sure McDonald's IS AVAILABLE IN ALL PRISONS"

NYT with the scoop:

At the defense table, Todd Blanche and Emil Bove, two of Trump's lawyers, are passing a note back and forth. In between them? Trump, sitting with his eyes closed.

"He who smelt it" etc.

Would Jared and Ivana "forget" to put money on his commissary?

the note says "do you like me? y/n"

"More likely, Merchan could give Trump a "time out" in a cell behind the New York City courtroom where he is currently on trial."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/could-donald-trump-really-go-jail-gag-order-violations-rcna150848

THIS would be awesome because it would be humiliating but he wouldn't be able to raise a ton of money from a toddler time out.

“A minute in jail for every count against you in various venues”

lol the courtroom jail would be the best.

the memes that would come out of that

Trump: This judge is giving me a gag order and said you'll go to jail if you violate it. And frankly, our constitution is much more important than jail. It's not even close. I'll do that sacrifice any day. pic.twitter.com/TkbnLajOSt

— Acyn (@Acyn) May 6, 2024

then do it bitch

*makes chicken clucking noises while flapping my arms @ him*

i still like the public park prison yurt idea a little, but the only way to win at trump is to make him broke or to keep him all the way outta the media. it's all he really understands. if being in jail makes him broke or outta the media it's fine, but i'm not clear it does that. unless it's like i dunno supermax. supermax donald.

dreamin' is free.

i sentence you to not have a phone or internet, forever

dare to dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbU3zdAgiX8

STORMY is bringing the storm!

hoping she's the one that gets him to stand up and scream

like Donald Sutherland

"You remind me of my daughter." ugh....