“I take my responsibilities seriously. I did not lie” - UK politics June 23 on

The thing is they won't be winning those votes back any time soon - although they have so much contempt for this particular group of voters that I'm sure they think they'll come crawling back to them. It's taken them years to claw back working class voters in Scotland, it's taken the SNP turning into a total shitshow and even then they've not sealed the deal.

The contempt shown to Muslims by this iteration of Labour is really something! Why would you alienate 2.5 million voters who’d normally be with you? Are LFI/JLM-friendly donors so worth it?

I am absolutely sure that Jeremy Corbyn having basic respect and affection for Muslims really stuck in the craw of those on the right of Labour, which is full of Islamophobes and middle class briefcase wankers who only know how to cope with their own ilk.

I don't think the leadership care all that much about all the bad results here, or how it looks. It's a feature not a bug of their strategy that they will win a majority at the GE without enthusiasm, with a low turnout, and with disgust and low support from some constituencies (in the informal sense) that, as Suzy says, supported the previous leadership. This allows them to signal to their new white and racist voting base that they're "a changed party" (one time Starmer's not lying). They want to put mass democracy back in its box, and ensure it stays there, dissatisfied and disenfranchised, voting for independents who aren't united in a party structure. This way they can handle politics in the back rooms with the lobbyists. The only thorn in this could the The Worker's Party, but that should worry the rest of us too.

The older Galloway gets, the more vain and venal he becomes. He won’t be elected again in Rochdale because in this century he does FA for constituents.

it would be preferable that Labour lose seats to Greens/CPoB/fuck knows, any indie that isn't a fashbol anti-vaxxer allied with that vile pig.

xp
Yeah, but will be interesting to see if he can cobble together the hundreds of candidates he says he has, or if that's all bullshit. I think he could certainly upset or damage Labour in a few races if he does.

you have to hope that whenever Galloway gets a national platform he loses potential voters

Pinch of salt with of course differing natures of locals vs GE but still !!

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242

Using the latest figures from the local elections, it can be projected that Labour is on course to be the largest party in parliament - but falls short of a Commons majority by 32 seats.

i would love to believe, but i don't see how that accounts for the likelihood of indies/Greens struggling more in a general election

with the turnaround between the bye-election and the general being so short I think Galloway has a high chance to winning again. If it were 12-18 months apart he'd lose support, but I don't see it happening in such a short space of time

Not looking good for Thangam Debbonaire

The Greens have won all 14 council seats in the wards that make up the Bristol Central constituency where she’s standing at general election

— John Stevens (@johnestevens) May 3, 2024

Not only are Sky projecting that Labour won't win an overall majority in a General Election but they're short of it by 32 seats. Good job, Starmer.

I'm going to love that moment when it is confirmed that they have absolutely fucked themselves. There is going to be some incredible "oh no we've fucked it" reaction gifs.

xp is this because the Lib Dems/Greens/independents have been doing quite well in the council results? (and not because than the tory vote has held up any better than expected) - it seems plausible a lot of those voters will still vote Labour in a general election, however unenthusiastically, to make sure the tories don't get back in?

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242

This figure assumes also that votes for the nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales, places where no local elections took place, are unchanged from the previous election.

this seems a questionable assumption for Scotland at least?

The odds haven't changed much on any of the potential outcomes yet

They're only 9% ahead of the Tories in vote share.

Looks like the "sadiq khan might lose!" story was a load of nonsense then.

Unless he's completely tanked in the outer boroughs.

it would have to be a spectacular tanking at this stage

Relieved I didn't need to vote for him then

Yes, he's just won in my area by 90,000+ votes!

https://twitter.com/LabAcceler/status/1786742581793042727

not by any means his greatest fan but if he had lost the message would have been "islamophobia and anti-environmentalism are key vote-winners" and that had the potential to make things in this country even worse.

it seems plausible a lot of those voters will still vote Labour in a general election, however unenthusiastically, to make sure the tories don't get back in?

― Platinum Penguin Pavilion (soref), Saturday, 4 May 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Its not just a question of enthusiasm

Not only are Sky projecting that Labour won't win an overall majority in a General Election but they're short of it by 32 seats. Good job, Starmer.

― I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 May 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Worse than Corbyn in 2017.

While I know a few Muslims who stayed home for the London elections, I know Hall’s rhetoric summoned countless others who might not vote Lab in the general to stand in solidarity with Khan and against the racism he is subjected to.

loads of dim folks with union jacks on their profiles are posting RIP London. I've seen one from Devon, one from Manchester etc...

I'm not a fan of Khan at all, but do respect his piss-boiling game today

Can't stand the little shit but he's up against all manner of racists, Islamophobes, conspiracy nuts and fascists.

one of the first things he did when elected as London Mayor was undermine the fuck out of Corbyn in his acceptance speech.

Oh aye his politics suck but fuck a fascist

https://x.com/Orwell_Fan/status/1786731983063695684

It's important to add some context to this, Sky News HQ is just a 13 minute drive from the West London Islamic Centre. https://t.co/yoCiknVG4l

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) May 4, 2024

This thread is like an oasis reading the absolute bullshit in the US politics thread. Jfc.

I'm not a fan of Khan at all, but do respect his piss-boiling game today

Worth pointing out that winning London mayoral race by 10pts (Curtice projection) when your party is 26pts ahead nationally and 34pts ahead in your city (YouGov) would be an utterly awful performance.

— Robert Colvile (@rcolvile) May 4, 2024

yeah but Colvile's not a fash psycho he's a respectable journal constantly being platformed by some of the most respectable media outlets in the y'know what i'll shut up

the sky 'projection' of the local results to the general election seems to be pretty much nonsense, i wouldn't get your hopes up about labor failing to get a majority

Otm let’s not give Colvile any credit whatsoever. He’s a cunt.

"We stopped the Greens" https://t.co/F8BdnCaP36 pic.twitter.com/ug4tLd8mOG

— Alexander Louis Sallons (@sallonsax) May 4, 2024

Six months of this venal cunt left.

the sky 'projection' of the local results to the general election seems to be pretty much nonsense, i wouldn't get your hopes up about labor failing to get a majority

― ufo, Saturday, 4 May 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Please don't kill my hopes I already have none left

If yo think Labour will fail to get a majority there are still great odds on that if you want to back against it.

I think they'll probably get the majority but I don't think its the sure fire outcome its being presented as, and the odds to go against it were too good to pass up

Please don't kill my hopes I already have none left

Hey now, Suella Braverman is warning the Tories about the danger of losing the election to "Keir Starmer and his band of hard left radicals". You should be happy!

The "charisma of a peanut" diss is funny though. Looking forward to see where Kierndrick Stamarr takes this beef next.

(sorry)

I wonder if Natalie Elphick defecting to Labour means that she will be the Lab candidate in Dover and Deal at the election? NB the current Labour candidate for the seat is Mike Tapp, who has already been discussed on this thread

https://i.imgur.com/ZLzAryG.png

obviously Elphicke is terrible, but the leadership forcing this guy to step aside so that she can run in his place would be very funny, so I'm torn

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/uploads/projects/1519493.jpg?1684407186

Testing Mike Tapp

Natalie Elphicke, who has just been welcomed to the Labour Party by Sir Keir Starmer, cruelly and publicly tormented the victims of her sex offender ex-husband Charlie.

She claimed ***after his conviction*** that he had merely been punished for being "attractive and attracted"…

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) May 8, 2024

fucking hell, there will actually be a more evil Labour MP than Rachel Reeves standing in the next GE. Didn't think that would be possible.