The Films of Alexander Payne - C/D

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Sense of place, sense of character, sense of humor, sense of tragedy of failed lives: he knows what he's doing, if these things matter to a viewer. Knows it on the level of Chekhov in Sideways, The Descendants, and The Holdovers.

paisley got boring (Eazy), Sunday, 10 March 2024 21:22 (two months ago) link

Note how the two scenes unfold on a near line-by-line basis:
1. Paul/Wills is working in his room/on the ward.
2. A messenger interrupts him to tell him his boss wants him.
3. Paul/Wills self-importantly tells the messenger to tell his boss he is busy.
4. The messenger tells Paul/Willis he actually must go now.
5. Paul/Wills reluctantly acquiesce

These are all like unbelievably stock scenes that you can find “line by line transpositions” of in films from the 1920s. I almost feel worse for this guy than I would if his movie really had been plagiarized, the deeper you go into detailed examples the more sad/pathetic it seems. Payne-esque, even!

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:37 (two months ago) link

Yeah at first I was willing to give it credence because he's not just a random loon but an actual produced screenwriter, but the more you see it it's ridiculous.

from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:44 (two months ago) link

Paul/Wills is called to adventure.
Paul/Wills refuses the call.
Paul/Wills embarks on a road of trials.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 11 March 2024 21:12 (two months ago) link

The but where he’s like “clearly they used software to do this” 🫣

Also is the character called fucking Wills or Willis, in the holdovers the guy has the same name all the way thru

cozen itt (wins), Monday, 11 March 2024 21:17 (two months ago) link

The Plagiarism Today blog has a thoughtful backgrounder on this:
https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2024/03/11/why-the-holdovers-is-not-a-plagiarism/

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 10:25 (two months ago) link

Though it contains a qualifier of note:

My Analysis

Note: I have not seen The Holdovers nor have I read Frisco. This analysis is based solely on the allegations provided by Stephenson and the follow ups shared by other screenwriters.

Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 10:40 (two months ago) link

Saw "The Holdovers." I thought it was really well directed and acted, but the story and writing ultimately didn't transcend its more familiar/predictable beats.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 March 2024 03:59 (two months ago) link

Yeah my take too. Also nice to see snow, albeit in a movie.

from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 17 March 2024 14:10 (two months ago) link

I keep thinking of him saying "your toes would curl!"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:51 (two months ago) link


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