Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

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I keep thinking about the Kavanaugh hearings during all this.

Yes you said what I mean but better

No! :-)

But Kavanaugh’s performance made him even less credible

It was pretty roundly mocked as well

And it made no difference

Kavanaugh's audience wasn't a solitary judge, but a Republican controlled Senate who for their political safety were going to vote for his confirmation even if he'd started jumping up and down on the table screaming profanities at his Democratic questioners.

They’re not entirely comparable , and yet my mind juxtaposes them as telling panels of the national collage.

xp i believe i understand everyone's points re ms willis, and thanks for the patient splains. i continue to root for her strongly. i'm not disappointed, not my job, i am just sorta surprised. no gifts to those bastards pls.

It really is such Karening and "hey look over there" bullshit and should not be a thing.

Trial level judges have seen a lot and will be more understanding. If the judge is good he should rule no disqualificatiom and just let them make their record for the appellate court to deal with.

One can both think she shouldn't be disqualified and she did herself no favors (with her decisions on and off the stand).

Having a "romantic relationship" (in the parlance of the questioning) with a coworker, especially one that might arguably be classified as a direct report, is incredibly dumb, regardless of the situation. It might not blow up on you, but it very easily can.

I felt bad for her having to discuss some of these matters on the stand.

Of course the entire thing is completely cynical - Trump is a cornered, desperate animal willing to thrash anyone to break free.

Having a "romantic relationship" (in the parlance of the questioning) with a coworker, especially one that might arguably be classified as a direct report, is incredibly dumb, regardless of the situation. It might not blow up on you, but it very easily can.

Yeah, I don't know what the HR department is like in the Fulton County court system, but at my job, we have to participate in a training every other year that drives this home.

I think this Judge (McAfee) has showed himself to be fair and averse to bullshit, so even if Willis was snippy, I think the Judge would probably give her the benefit of the doubt.

I agree the optics are not the best, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say lawyers should never date coworkers. There are specific ethics rules around it. The Obamas met at work. Many lawyers I know met their SO at work.

Then again I live in LA and it's more culturally relaxed than NYC (ime)

Oh, I know it goes on in the real world - all the time!. My wife works at a large firm and has partners who have married attorneys they met at work (who no longer work at the firm, thank god). It's just kind of a, to be crass, don't shit (fuck) where you eat situation, for me.

Obviously hope the judge does not disqualify her and she goes on to convict Trump for his obvious crimes.

Day 2 of this nonsense about kicking off now

That there is a Day 2 is ridiculous.

to be fair, the judge did say up front that he expected the hearing to take two days, but it's ridiculous it's happening at all

apologize in advance, this is mostly restatment of my prev, but my experience says that if you stay right with the judge, and you have not violated the law wrt conflicts, and she sounds clear from what i've read/heard, she should be fine. but stay right with the judge, no matter your justifiable fury. she is a pro, she knows this, i tend to think her steps are intentional here. i do not know her history with this judge or her opinion of this judge and i'm confident she has both, but counselor-- stay right with the judge here pls.

I think she may have previously been the judge's boss

lol i stayed out of court but ppl who both know and are way better'n me always said "you get credibility with a judge one time only. don't fuck it up."

fani's dad is on the stand.

Willis’ father explains why he always keeps cash. pic.twitter.com/mnfYDAsyC5

— Acyn (@Acyn) February 16, 2024

It's notable that a couple things he said like "always keep 6 months worth of cash on hand" and the description of the safes he has in the house match exactly with Fani Willis' testimony. I don't think there can be any doubt that the way that both Wade and Willis described how she paid for everything in cash is true.

BTW, the live chat on the Atlanta News First stream that I've been watching is an utterly insane non-stop flurry of racist comments, extremely ugly

At the risk of sounding flip 1) are you surprised and 2) surely there's a way to watch without having to see anyone's chat

It's only if you stream it on YouTube, and there is absolutely an option to hide the chat.

Totally forgot, isn't the Engoron decision coming today?

Supposedly.

Judges tend to ignore their self-imposed deadlines if they become inconvenient. Or so I hear.

300+ million dollar fine in the NYC case

370!

i havent been keeping a total all the money hes been ordered to pay but it seems like a lot

He's going to have to look in the sofa cushions

Or send out a few more emails

banned from new york for 3 years.

Should be a physical ban imo

yeah, banned from doing business for 3 years. i guess he could still go catch a broadway show.

The former president denied any wrongdoing, calling the case "a fraud on me."

President Diarrhea and his lick spittles consistently whine and moan about how he is being treated unfairly, unlawfully, the deep state is fucking him and real murricans over…

But if you, and only you, an individual participating in ILX who hates Pres Diarrhea and MAGS fuckheads and their cretinous culture with every fiber of your being, found out that there was indeed a deep state conspiracy, which uses unfair/unlawful means to prevent him from assuming the presidency again, would you approve of it? This would mean that he would be irrelevant going forward from now until the day he suffers a grotesque and painful malady resulting in his death. Would you be okay with him being rendered ineffective by completely illegal subterfuge?

* lady gaga voice *

FRAUD. ON. ME.

xp Yes, I believe I would.

Link with more

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ny-fraud-case-damages-pay-millions-judge-engoron-rcna135283

If I correctly understand what I just heard reported on MSNBC, the ruling bars Trump from obtaining any loans from any bank or business which is licensed to do business in New York state for a period of 3 years. That will totally screw over his ability to pay judgments against him without liquidating large amounts of his assets.

Oh darn!

Especially since IIRC if he wants to appeal he has to put up the amount fined within 30 days.

Would you be okay with him being rendered ineffective by completely illegal subterfuge?

Show me some illegal subterfuge and then I'll consider what it means to me.

Fraud on me vs Down on Me vs Crazy on on You...

Any word on whether he will ever actually pay anything out as a result of these fines/judgments/rulings?

I know that it is not good news for him, but I just want to make sure he suffers, instead of kicking the can down the road endlessly.

With any luck, the stress will kill him.

Any word on whether he will ever actually pay anything out as a result of these fines/judgments/rulings?

of course not that's what the RNC is for

Further thought: It's interesting that all these cases and appeals and fines and civil judgments are being handled by his lawyers. Lawyers that he has no intention of paying, ever.

Motherfucker needs some goddamn consequences