“I can hear those champagne bottle corks popping in Moscow — like it’s Christmas every fucking day": US Politics, February 2024

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I want it on demand, not least because after decades and decades of it being made more and more difficult to get even when it was federally protected, at the very least we should spend the rest of our lives apologizing to women and at most should actually give them access to abortion with as little effort as possible because it's there fucking bodies.

so yes, Hunt3r otm

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 February 2024 03:31 (two years ago)

"on demand" is so weird, like, that's the whole idea! On demand = "when you need it." When else are people supposed to have abortions if not on demand?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 February 2024 03:35 (two years ago)

lol exactly

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 February 2024 03:38 (two years ago)

"no, we need to make it difficult because hey this might be a Van Gogh growing inside"

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 February 2024 03:38 (two years ago)

If men could get pregnant, abortions would be available at CVS.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 February 2024 03:39 (two years ago)

there'd be pills in Frosted Flakes

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 February 2024 03:40 (two years ago)

fwiw, i think it's more enlightening to cite what Biden has done as president around this issue than quoting his choice of rhetoric when fund-raising.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 8 February 2024 04:24 (two years ago)

how about "but i understand why it IS just and right."

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 04:49 (two years ago)

see, i wasn't quoting aimless, i was ~suggesting~, tho maybe poorly.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 04:50 (two years ago)

huh?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 8 February 2024 04:56 (two years ago)

That article about the demographic politics of Florida is extraordinary

Also h/t for the phrase "forced birth" when talking about anti-choice legislation - gets the point across much better

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 February 2024 13:43 (two years ago)

good morning!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2024 13:43 (two years ago)

I got busy yesterday and couldn't respond to people who responded to my q, but thank you

rob, Thursday, 8 February 2024 13:58 (two years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/08/taylor-swift-conspiracies-lyrics-satire/

“Say you’ll remember ME” (“Wildest Dreams”): REMEMBER THE MAINE! Swift remembers the USS Maine, whose destruction precipitated the Spanish-American War. What will it precipitate next?

“Wrapped all of my past mistakes in barbed wire” (“invisible string”): This refers to the secret facility where Taylor Swift’s enemies are kept.

scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 14:28 (two years ago)

And yet Lefsetz roams free

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 February 2024 14:33 (two years ago)

“Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby, and I’m the monster on the hill” (“Anti-Hero”): Who is the monster on the Hill? Congress, of course. But, then, who is the sexy baby? Simple: George Santos.

scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 14:59 (two years ago)

"I met Bobby on the boardwalk summer of '45
Picked me up late one night out the window
We were seventeen and crazy running wild, wild"

This is about RFK Jr. and Trump (45) visiting Epstein island

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:08 (two years ago)

Also the modulation in the last chorus of "Love Story" was developed in a lab at Quantico to prompt a potent cocktail of dopamine and oxytocin in 97 percent of test subjects, bonding them to Swift and rendering them obedient to her suggestions.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:25 (two years ago)

wrt to the recovering economy and its (non) appearance in how people report sentiment, is one factor the fact that economic growth under Biden has disproportionately occurred in red states?

anvil, Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:25 (two years ago)

C'mon, man. No amount of prosperity, safety, freedom, or privilege will budge those voters. It's just tribes and grievance all the way down.

If only we could send a reporter to a diner. Surely that would provide us with some insights into how the Real Americans think.

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:38 (two years ago)

Please save us, T. Swizzle, you're our only hope.

I have placed the plans of the Death Star in your Tesla. Many Bothans died to bring us this information.

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:43 (two years ago)

Why can't they put one lonely reporter in the diner who will report what the common man says now and then.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:46 (two years ago)

C'mon, man. No amount of prosperity, safety, freedom, or privilege will budge those voters. It's just tribes and grievance all the way down.

That explains the red state voters who have had a faster recovering economy but are never going to credit a Democratic president. But what I was really referring to was more the fact that recovery in blue states has been less pronounced, so voters that might be more inclined to report more positive sentiment have less to feel good about than those in states where the recovery has been concentrated

anvil, Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:54 (two years ago)

even if the u.s. economy was the strongest ever in history people post-pandemic, post-trump, and post-climate change - on the left and right - will say that things aren't going well. its an existential thing. which is definitely gonna skew your polls. folks got the jitters out there. millenarianism. whatever you want to call it. mckibbenism.

scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:55 (two years ago)

people addicted to socials and podcasts are being served historically unprecedented, addictive megadoses of intentionally anger- and panic-inducing information.

they have no normal environment in which to modulate reasonable or even rational responses.

and now taylor swift's boyfriend has appropriated a fade.

utter chaos.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:09 (two years ago)

sorry that should go to the distopia thread i spose.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:09 (two years ago)

Anvil, that is an interesting point.

Bluer urban regions will always have more data points (both positive and negative) simply because there are more humans and therefore more experiences. And therefore more opinions. You will see greater variance simply because there is more information.

Further, bluer areas tend to have more going on - more businesses opening, more businesses closing, more people being hired, and more people being let go. Because: more people.

But what do I know? I'm just a stupid liberal living in a demiurban bubble. I know nothing about Real America. Where you work with your hands and drive a pickup truck and eat in a diner and you have 47 guns or whatever.

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:11 (two years ago)

all at once!

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:12 (two years ago)

well not the diner and the truck driving

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:13 (two years ago)

I have installed a fully functional diner in my Ford truck. Next to the gun locker. Haven't you?

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:17 (two years ago)

in the winter, in western mass, EVERY single person walking down the street looks like they are the cover photo for a pamphlet at the doctor's office that says "DEPRESSED?" on the front of it. so its hard to tell what the mood is out there. everyone is in cave bear mode. but people sure are buying a lot of records! #anecdotalbluestatemerchantupdate

scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:18 (two years ago)

Are there still diners in truly rural areas? Seems to me there is no "third space" that's not church in vast swaths of the heartland

Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:44 (two years ago)

Further, bluer areas tend to have more going on - more businesses opening, more businesses closing, more people being hired, and more people being let go. Because: more people.

Potentially, but if higher growth is concentrated in red states, that means thats where things are opening more or being built more, currently

This then leads to further questions, as to why that is? There's also an interesting parallel in Europe where post-covid growth is more pronounced in Eastern Europe than Western Europe

anvil, Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:46 (two years ago)

xp - In the small towns my family members live in, the non-church third spaces are the informal coffee gathering spot set up in the garage bay of the municipal building, the Dollar General parking lot and the Casey's gas station food counter.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:49 (two years ago)

Non-church third spaces in my town:

- casinos
- gas station convenience store
- bar that serves really good burgers
- other bar that serves really good burgers (and also has slot machines)
- gun store

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:57 (two years ago)

oh duh, yeah, forgot the bar option

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:58 (two years ago)

Seems to me there is no "third space" that's not church in vast swaths of the heartland

i sorta think that given the portion of the left that was generated out of church philosophy and teaching-- tho relatively historically rather than very recently-- the fact that much of the left seems to have moved far out of churches has been socio-politically poisonous. there's more 'tribal' or cultural separation. i'm sure this is well-trod ground, i just haven't looked for it.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two years ago)

what i'm saying is we need some radical priests and parsons.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two years ago)

Some of the fiercest libs/leftists I know are churchgoers, including Catholics.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:07 (two years ago)

folks got the jitters out there.

Definitely, and I think a lot of the disconnect that tables is talking about upthread is that the things that particularly give people the jitters aren't easily accounted for by our normal economic data dashboard. They are more structural things about security and stability, which have been relentlessly undermined by dehumanizing corporatism, lack of reliable access to healthcare, people feeling trapped in various ways where they are (Americans are moving across state lines less than they have in decades), cumulative household debt, etc. Lots of these things do get measured in various ways, but they're mostly not what talking heads mean when they say "the economy," which focuses mostly on GDP, DJIA and the unemployment rate — things that can be "good" in the aggregate without saying much about average individual experience.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:07 (two years ago)

I know, I know, but as a brainwashed leftist ... there is no God

Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:08 (two years ago)

Americans are moving across state lines less than they have in decades),

The old are moving to Florida to die or to kill me.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:10 (two years ago)

xp that post me

i tell a left evangelist friend of mine "the thing that's important about the church is exclusively social. partly because there is no god, of that i'm rather sure." to dorks who say "i hate organized religion, but i'm ~spiritual~" i will say "fuck that, you must be precisely the opposite, but find a church that's not loaded with assholes preaching exclusionary hatred"!

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:14 (two years ago)

well, i spose they _can_ be spiritual, whatever the fuck they think that means.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:15 (two years ago)

"i hate organized religion, but i'm ~spiritual~" i will say "fuck that, you must be precisely the opposite, but find a church that's not loaded with assholes preaching exclusionary hatred"!

OTM. Also: these people don't wanna make time to go to church/observe sacraments.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:16 (two years ago)

I think there is a strong need/desire in most of us to believe or at least hope that there is something after death, hence the idea of "spirituality."

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:23 (two years ago)

ha i do not want anything but release that is the desire, i want for nothing more, it would only disappoint.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:27 (two years ago)

/radicalovershare

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:28 (two years ago)

Organized religion, on the other hand, as has already been pointed out, is more of a tribal/social affiliation.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:30 (two years ago)

I think that has been made astoundingly clear in the Age of Trump.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:30 (two years ago)


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