Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Not one direct mention of Carroll or his usual denials. I suspect he/whoever runs the account has clocked -- for now, let's see how long that lasts -- that if he goes down that road again she and her team can easily go 'hey, another defamation trial? don't mind if we do' and then he has to deal with two verdicts already assessed.

Even good ol' Andy McCarthy on Fox knows this much per WaPo:

Today’s ruling may not be the end of the story, according to Andy McCarthy, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District.

“In theory, if (Donald Trump) continues to repeat what he said, she can continue to sue him, and seek more millions (in) damages,” McCarthy said on Fox News.

Couple of separate posts on Bsky to further illustrate the current fun for him:

Surety bonds on appeal in the 2nd Circuit are at the district court's discretion. I'm guessing Judge Kaplan will require a bond for 100% of the verdict. Justice Engoron is likely to issue a ~$400 million fine next week; in state court appeal bonds MUST be for 100% plus statutory 9% interest.

Appeal bonds are generally 100% collateralized; it's conceivable some bank could offer Trump an irrevocable letter of credit, but a half- billion dollars is a lot.

Gonna be a long weekend for somebody.

I vote "dud"

sorry...

Someone else said on Bluesky

He can appeal without putting up the $83M

BUT

If he does not put up the $, Carroll can begin executing the $83m judgment 30 days from now in all fifty states, seizing his cash & personal property and placing liens on his real estate.

Even more fun!

A dark weekend of the soul, you might say

Good time to take up alcohol

Unperson's last quote there is from Mitchell Epner, solid guy in my experience and great legal commentator (and a lawyer himself etc), and he also posted this:

Right now, FPOTUS is likely in a rage towards his former attorney Joe Tacopina, who made the wise decision to keep Trump off the stand in the 1st Carroll v. Trump trial. Trump appears to have convinced himself that he would have won that case, if he testified and collateral estoppel is unfair.

Get ready for the rants!

Something tells me the rubes are about the get soaked again

Truly he is a fisher of men.

delightful Epner quotes there, thank u both

“Absolutely ridiculous! I fully disagree with both verdicts, and will be appealing this whole Biden Directed Witch Hunt focused on me and the Republican Party,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “Our Legal System is out of control, and being used as a Political Weapon.”

“They have taken away all First Amendment Rights,” he added. “THIS IS NOT AMERICA!”

THANKS BIDEN

'our legal system is out of control' says the most litigious property developer in history

He'll raise money off this but will he raise $83M?

($83M more than he would have raised otherwise, I mean)

they were floating an idea in Florida to use taxpayer dollars to cover his legal fees - but DeSantis nixed it
Just insane that would be even be discussed

Dud all you want, but this outcome is pretty classic Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsMUxdZGgWI

Just hoping & praying that his seething, unrelenting anger is helping to shorten his lifespan

^ 100000%

Dud for not stomping out and muttering this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFQYw_MmAA

He's going to die on the toilet while we sleep tonight

(Mods plz delete if I'm wrong)

on the toilet the golden toilet the donald dies toniiiight

I think Trump would rather have his dick cut off than give up Trump Tower.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:6c45z5sf3rhgrupy26iqndmc/bafkreiezsxnf27xpxvqdqbb2d6g56tjdgp4uldcvgdaclnmtj7u3fsybky@jpeg

trump sucks. i hate trump.

otm

(Mods plz delete if I'm wrong)

post is still there, guess he died

what a way to find out

yayyyyyy!

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2024/01/24/gettyimages-1944807446-33f657b924375b3f8de8f3ddc342961b9b5ca4a7-s800-c85.jpg

I never paid much attention to the "Trump has tiny hands" thing before, always thought it was just a way to needle him, until I saw this pic from Monday. Seriously tiny hands!

not looking like a young 77 there.

otoh he does look like a man who fell under 91 indictments and has five teams of lawyers he consults with multiple times a day trying to figure out how he might wriggle out of all of them. and it's not looking so good.

Looking like Tom Wilkinson in Michael Clayton.

five teams of lawyers

He looks like a man proud of having five fingers.

xpost Too bad he doesn't look like Tom Wilkinson as he is today. Maybe he does.

Mitchell Epner has posted a long newsletter answering frequently asked questions about the Carroll verdict. Here is the most interesting stuff:

Can Donald Trump Delay Payment Of The $83.3 Million During An Appeal?

Yes, but only if he pays about $92 million into the Court in the next 30 days.

Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 62, E. Jean Carroll is barred from trying to execute on the $83.3 million verdict for 30 days after the judgment is entered. During that time, Donald Trump can (a) file a notice of appeal and (b) seek to have the trial court stay execution of the judgment by “providing” (depositing) “a bond or other security.” In the SDNY, the Court typically requires deposit of 110% of the amount of the verdict.

For example, when Donald Trump appealed the $5 million verdict in 2023, he had to deposit $5.5 million into the court.

The purpose of the deposit is to take “credit risk” away from the appeal. When the money is deposited to the Court, it leaves the control of the defendant. Whoever wins the appeal will get the money. If E. Jean Carroll prevails on appeal, the Court would pay the money directly to her. If Trump were to prevail on appeal, the Court would return the money to him.

If Trump does not post the $92 million, he could still pursue an appeal, but that would not delay E. Jean Carroll from enforcing the judgment during the appeal. She could seize whatever funds are in any of Donald Trump’s bank accounts in any of the fifty states. She could also seize his personal property. She would have the assistance of county sheriffs, who would be required to seize his cars, paintings, etc and sell them at auction. In addition, she could place liens on any of his real estate. Most defendants prefer to post the security, rather than have their property seized.

How Long Will An Appeal Take?

Ordinarily, an appeal to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals would take about 18 months. Here, it is likely that the appeal of the $83.3 million 2024 verdict will be consolidated with Trump’s earlier appeal of the $5 million 2023 verdict. Trump filed his opening brief in November 2023.

Although it is possible that the Second Circuit will wait until after Election Day (November 5), in an ordinary case I would not be surprised if the Second Circuit issues its decision by October 2024.

Judge in real estate trial says damages verdict likely by Wednesday. Meanwhile, the person appointed to monitor Trump org sent a letter to the judge noting, despite cooperation, a bunch of omissions and inconsistencies. For example:

Of particular note, I discussed the springing loan previously disclosed as being between Donald J. Trump individually and Chicago Unit Acquisitions (an entity related to the Trump Chicago Tower) with the Trump Organization several times. When I inquired about this loan, I was informed that there are no loan agreements that memorialize the loan, but that it was a loan that was believed to be between Donald J. Trump, individually, and Chicago Unit Acquisition for $48 million. However, in recent discussions with the Trump Organization, it indicated that it has determined that this loan never existed - and thus that it would be removed from any upcoming forms submitted to the Office of Government Ethics and would also be removed from subsequent versions of the MAML.

it has determined that this loan never existed

hmmm. it's like that version of three card monte where a pea disappears under one of three shells, only in this case it's shell companies. maybe they should consult the Trump Organization's CFO, Allen Weisselberg. They should be able to find him since he was just sentenced to 5 months in jail.

Prediction: he will pay exactly nothing to anyone (including and especially his own lawyers).

Because *wriggle*.

Because there is always another appeal, always another court, always anither judge, always an other angle, always an other #wriggle.

I'm going to sleep in a bit. Wake me up if anything changes.

Just one more thing before I retire: when I am accused of a crime (which seems likely, as i am a notorious miscreant) can I get maybe 43% of the impunity this guy gets on the regular?

I know this show has gone on too long, but I really think they are gonna wrap it up this season

Can Carroll choose which of his assets to seize, in the unlikely event he actually has to pay anything? i.e. could she demand Mar-a-Lago?

you all saying he's not going to pay anything, did you miss the part in the post above where it says to stay execution of the judgment after 30 days, he has to pay the court 92 million, and if he doesn't, she can begin collecting immediately with the assistance of sheriffs even if he decides to file an appeal? unless all civil servants conspire to ignore the law simultaneously...he's quite literally going to be paying money.

and if he pays the court that 92 million, he's without it until his appeal is resolved, and only gets it back if he wins. I know it's fun to be cynical and constantly say "eh, it doesn't matter" whenever Trump has anything happen to him, but the instinct to just blurt that out right after the second of two trials where a rape victim put herself in harm's way at great cost to her mental health and safety to ensure Trump got held accountable...it doesn't come across very well.

(there's no way he doesn't pay the court 92 million...he isn't going to want to deal with attempts at seizures)

thank you xp

Okay I will believe it when I see it actually happen. Yes I understand the legal language, but #wriggle.

Tell me when the wire transfer has gone through. I've just heard too many OMG TRUMP IS GONNA SUFFER stories.

sadly we can't tag you in these threads, so you'll just have to keep up