oatmilk blows soy and almond away for coffee drinks
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 21 January 2024 14:31 (five months ago) link
with the honourable exception of bonsoy imo
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 14:46 (five months ago) link
you knows good for coffee drinks, milk
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 14:59 (five months ago) link
*half+half
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:00 (five months ago) link
the problem with the plant milks is they have no body, except for coconut ones but then your coffee tastes like coconut, personally i like coconut and its not bad in coffee but it kinda makes it a flavored coffee, i know some people tummies cant take dairy, i will pray for you, to drink your coffee black haha
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:10 (five months ago) link
My brother has a ridiculous Starbucks order but it generates a delicious drink and the baristas have never batted an eye at it: half-sweet extra hot oat milk dirty chai latte
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:12 (five months ago) link
also plant milks most dont taste like much, just a flat vegetal note, so they just put a tons of sugar in them, sad
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:12 (five months ago) link
whats does extra hot mean in that depraved context
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:13 (five months ago) link
Oh, two more mods: no water, no foam.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:14 (five months ago) link
The oat milk is heated hotter than normal, which suits his slow-sip style
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:15 (five months ago) link
coffee black is divine, a truly great elixir. bout to have a cof right now
― sknybrg, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:15 (five months ago) link
I forgot to do the shopping yesterday, instant black coffee today
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:16 (five months ago) link
We have this Ikea carafe, which does a great job: https://www.amazon.com/Ikea-Behovd-Vacuum-Thermos-Carafe/dp/B075DJ8DZX/ref=asc_df_B075DJ8DZX/
But my wife has two Zojirushi thermoses and loves them, they do good work.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:21 (five months ago) link
(xpost to earlier discussion obv)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:22 (five months ago) link
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, January 21, 2024 10:15 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
starbucks is a wild place lol, its not good but it is amazing
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:22 (five months ago) link
i prefer coffee black, milk makes it way too heavy for me, so oat milk is basically perfect if i want a lil somethin difft
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:23 (five months ago) link
i hope mcdonalds actually does its coffee chain, that shits next level, makes starbucks look like a diner
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:24 (five months ago) link
I prefer a tiny dash of whole milk, which adds just enough sweetness and texture to balance a dark roast. Milk alternatives, like oat or almond or soy, I find they distract from rather than complement the taste of the coffee.
BTW, I was in Amsterdam, talking with a guy from Portugal, and he told me about the first time he had Starbucks, to see what the hype was about. I was expecting shit-talk, but he ended with nothing but effusive praise, saying he much preferred it to most coffee in Amsterdam. Me and this other American guy kind of looked at him and shrugged, like, "it's ok, if that's all you got." It's not my preferred coffee, but I'll always defend Starbucks, from an American perspective, because they almost single-handedly ensured that now you can get acceptable coffee in the States. Growing up, before that, options included basically McDonald's, and hell, the success of Starbucks even forced McDonald's to up their coffee game.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:32 (five months ago) link
european coffee is terrible unless you’re in italy, is how i break it down to an extent
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:34 (five months ago) link
It’s so funny to me, growing up watching ads for 90s instant coffee that touted “France” and “Vienna” as these exquisite coffee destinations, only to visit as an adult and realize how low the bar was in those places
Coffee in Norway is excellent, it should be said
McCafe’s espresso almost seems lab-designed to “taste better than a Starbucks espresso” without actually being good espresso in its own right
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:42 (five months ago) link
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:47 (five months ago) link
My friend was just extolling the coffee in Japan.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:49 (five months ago) link
Strangest regional variation I ever encountered was in Moscow, went in to some random shop and they put hundreds & thousands (sprinkles/jimmies) on top of it. Let’s just say there’s a reason that never took off.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:49 (five months ago) link
This sounds disgusting tbh, I can see why Viennese coffee isn’t for you.
It sounded disgusting to me, too! But I am a convert. I have not had delicious coffee in Vienna, ever. It goes without saying that Italy is coffee paradise
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:52 (five months ago) link
It was a decade ago that I was in Norway, but the new “wave” of coffee at the time was under-roasted beans, the resultant drink was grassier and much more caffeinated. Idk if it is still the case up there. My friends in Oslo were at the time very excited about how well local baristae were performing in international competitions
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 15:56 (five months ago) link
yeah I was in Norway in 2015 and it was all about very light roasts. but maybe less so now?https://mtpak.coffee/2022/04/light-roasted-coffee-are-norwegians-stepping-away/
― jaymc, Sunday, 21 January 2024 16:13 (five months ago) link
Interesting, thanks for the link. I’ve never flown higher than in Oslo, three cups in. I remember saying “uh oh I think I have made a mistake”. The caffeine was nuts
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 16:36 (five months ago) link
Now you know what Balzac was on about
― calstars, Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:05 (five months ago) link
I think with that kind of consumption under one’s belt, pretty much anyone can be a writer (or a typist as Capote would put it)
― calstars, Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:06 (five months ago) link
I've always wondered how the coffee is in places where they actually grow the beans.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:14 (five months ago) link
Fuck Starbucks
― brimstead, Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:23 (five months ago) link
This story is 15 years old so things may be changing, but Colombia at least has legendarily bad coffee: https://theworld.org/stories/2009-12-22/colombia-land-horrible-coffee
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:24 (five months ago) link
yeah most of the "good" stuff gets exported, at least that is what I saw in Peru
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:29 (five months ago) link
Even domestically, though. Hawaii grows coffee, but is Hawaii known for its brewed coffee? Don't think so. I think Ethiopia brews good coffee, right? Or at least distinctive.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2024 17:54 (five months ago) link
ive no idea what european coffee is
in a bad coffee place or like a supermarket or filling station youll get bad coffee in europe, my experience has been the same in the states
in a decent restaurant or bar or coffee place you'll get good coffee
this is essentially how anything works anywhere
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:00 (five months ago) link
tho tbh my personal taste- and im not clued in on the vernacular, apologies- is for a darker/burnt flavour and not the reddish/fruity stuff that the swankier coffee places in the british isles extol
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:02 (five months ago) link
go to any French cafe with picturesque cane chairs outside and a plat du jour etc and you will get terrible coffee. I have also not had good coffee in Vienna, even at a very nice place with marble tabletops and cut glass decanters everywhere but i know they are famous for basically inventing “cafe culture” in the late 17th century so i dunno maybe i was just in the wrong place
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:04 (five months ago) link
best coffee i ever had was in a shop in berlin selling coffee machines which fair dos is good salesmanship
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:05 (five months ago) link
Verdict on iced oat mocha is creamy , not too sweet, pretty good
― calstars, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:08 (five months ago) link
Unfortunately my favorite coffee ever is a basic as anything choice: granita from Sant’ Eustachio in Rome
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:12 (five months ago) link
every so often i taste a plant-based substitute that is so fuckin good that i’m like, if we had to just cancel the substituted product forever.. i’d be okay with that. imo oat milk and pea milk have cracked the code
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:14 (five months ago) link
“Basic” because it’s notoriously good, “my favorite sculpture is Michelangelo’s David” i.e.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:15 (five months ago) link
imo oat milk and pea milk have cracked the code
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, January 21, 2024 1:14 PM (fifty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
bro get a hold of yourself
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:16 (five months ago) link
also it’s fun to say “pea milk”
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:22 (five months ago) link
pee milk more like
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:23 (five months ago) link
"whats the pee stand for?"
"im selling it to americans to put in their coffee"
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:36 (five months ago) link
couple thoughts on the vienna convo
1 most pizza in new york city isnt that great but almost none of it is bad, most places that are famous for a thing are like that you still have to know where to get the good stuff but the baseline is high
2 if a place has a big culture around something its usually pretty stuck in its ways so it doesnt keep up with the latest stuff, a cup of diner coffee in america is often still pretty bad but if you go to a new fancy coffee shop you might get amazing coffee, the people running that coffee shop felt no allegiance to the culture of bad diner coffee so it wasnt a big deal to try something new
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:50 (five months ago) link
btw re that 1st point its awesome when a place is really into a thing everyones got an opinion a favorite place theres tons of choice variety etc
― lag∞n, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:58 (five months ago) link
Had interesting coffee experiences on a Balkan trip a while back. In Sarajevo, the Bosnian coffee is a particular thing, mostly like Turkish coffee (i.e. pan heated, very strong) but with its own variation: https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20140707-the-complicated-culture-of-bosnian-coffee. But then right next door in Croatia, which of course was part of the Republic of Venice, the Italian coffee culture is dominant and it's all espresso-based drinks.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:58 (five months ago) link
Yep that’s otm ime (re Bosnian, I don’t recall having coffee in Croatia when I was there). It was special.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 January 2024 19:09 (five months ago) link