This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2023

I'll hide a couple of things here.

Not that it's The Sixth Sense or anything, but I picked up on the central issue pretty early, which was made crystal-clear in their taped argument: she was successful and prolific, he wasn't. Also, I'm glad there wasn't any kind of a twist at the end like I half-expected. I started to think for a minute that we'd find out the son completely made up the story of his conversation in the car with his father (although it's presented in language that seemed slightly beyond his age), acting on the advice of his court-appointed watchdog.

That last thing you mentioned: I'm glad it wasn't spelled out one way or the other, but I did come to believe that's what happened.

I agree the ending is ambiguous enough that it’s possible to have different interpretations.

No surprise, but Anatomy of a Murder does seem to be lurking in the background:

“Anatomy of a Fall,” the new French mystery film, takes its title directly from “Anatomy of a Murder,” Otto Preminger’s 1959 courtroom drama starring Jimmy Stewart. Director Justine Triet saw the Preminger classic about a decade ago and kept the film in her mind as she was developing her own modern tale of intrigue, secrets, and marriage on trial.

https://www.thewrap.com/anatomy-of-a-fall-ending-what-it-means-director-interview/

Interesting interview...I think Sarris called the Preminger film a masterpiece of ambiguity, or something like that.

It's my favorite Preminger. I wouldn't call it ambiguous, certainly not with that ending. But it's fair, almost serene, about the consequences.

OK, seriously GTFO Bradley Cooper...

BAFTA nominations:

BEST FILM

ANATOMY OF A FALL Marie-Ange Luciani, David Thion
THE HOLDOVERS Mark Johnson
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Dan Friedkin, Daniel Lupi, Martin Scorsese, Bradley Thomas
OPPENHEIMER Christopher Nolan, Charles Roven, Emma Thomas
POOR THINGS Ed Guiney, Yorgos Lanthimos, Andrew Lowe, Emma Stone

OUTSTANDING BRITISH FILM

ALL OF US STRANGERS Andrew Haigh, PGA
HOW TO HAVE SEX Molly Manning Walker, Emily Leo, Ivana MacKinnon, Konstantinos Kontovrakis
NAPOLEON Ridley Scott, Mark Huffam, Kevin J. Walsh, David Scarpa
THE OLD OAK Ken Loach, Rebecca O'Brien, Paul Laverty
POOR THINGS Yorgos Lanthimos, Ed Guiney, Andrew Lowe, Emma Stone, Tony McNamara
RYE LANE Raine Allen-Miller, Yvonne Isimeme Ibazebo, Damian Jones, Nathan Bryon, Tom Melia
SALTBURN Emerald Fennell, Josey McNamara, Margot Robbie
SCRAPPER Charlotte Regan, Theo Barrowclough
WONKA Paul King, Alexandra Derbyshire, David Heyman, Simon Farnaby
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Jonathan Glazer, PGA

OUTSTANDING DEBUT BY A BRITISH WRITER, DIRECTOR OR PRODUCER

BLUE BAG LIFE Lisa Selby (Director), Rebecca Lloyd-Evans (Director, Producer), Alex Fry (Producer)
BOBI WINE: THE PEOPLE’S PRESIDENT Christopher Sharp (Director) [also directed Moses Bwayo]
EARTH MAMA Savanah Leaf (Writer, Director, Producer), Shirley O'Connor (Producer), Medb Riordan (Producer)
HOW TO HAVE SEX Molly Manning Walker (Writer, Director)
IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? Ella Glendining (Director)

FILM NOT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE

20 DAYS IN MARIUPOL Mstyslav Chernov, Raney Aronson Rath
ANATOMY OF A FALL Justine Triet, Marie-Ange Luciani, David Thion
PAST LIVES Celine Song, David Hinojosa, Pamela Koffler, Christine Vachon
SOCIETY OF THE SNOW J.A. Bayona, Belen Atienza
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Jonathan Glazer, PGA

DOCUMENTARY

20 DAYS IN MARIUPOL Mstyslav Chernov, Raney Aronson Rath
AMERICAN SYMPHONY Matthew Heineman, Lauren Domino, Joedan Okun
BEYOND UTOPIA Madeleine Gavin, Rachel Cohen, Jana Edelbaum
STILL: A MICHAEL J. FOX MOVIE Davis Guggenheim, Jonathan King, Annetta Marion
WHAM! Chris Smith

ANIMATED FILM

THE BOY AND THE HERON Hayao Miyazaki, Toshio Suzuki
CHICKEN RUN: DAWN OF THE NUGGET Sam Fell, Leyla Hobart, Steve Pegram
ELEMENTAL Peter Sohn, Denise Ream
SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE Joaquim Dos Santos, Kemp Powers, Justin K. Thompson, Avi Arad, Phil Lord, Christopher Miller, Amy Pascal, Christina Steinberg

DIRECTOR

ALL OF US STRANGERS Andrew Haigh
ANATOMY OF A FALL Justine Triet
THE HOLDOVERS Alexander Payne
MAESTRO Bradley Cooper
OPPENHEIMER Christopher Nolan
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Jonathan Glazer

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY

ANATOMY OF A FALL Justine Triet, Arthur Harari
BARBIE Greta Gerwig, Noah Baumbach
THE HOLDOVERS David Hemingson
MAESTRO Bradley Cooper, Josh Singer
PAST LIVES Celine Song

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY

ALL OF US STRANGERS Andrew Haigh
AMERICAN FICTION Cord Jefferson
OPPENHEIMER Christopher Nolan
POOR THINGS Tony McNamara
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Jonathan Glazer

LEADING ACTRESS

FANTASIA BARRINO The Color Purple
SANDRA HÜLLER Anatomy of a Fall
CAREY MULLIGAN Maestro
VIVIAN OPARAH Rye Lane
MARGOT ROBBIE Barbie
EMMA STONE Poor Things

LEADING ACTOR

BRADLEY COOPER Maestro
COLMAN DOMINGO Rustin
PAUL GIAMATTI The Holdovers
BARRY KEOGHAN Saltburn
CILLIAN MURPHY Oppenheimer
TEO YOO Past Lives

SUPPORTING ACTRESS

EMILY BLUNT Oppenheimer
DANIELLE BROOKS The Color Purple
CLAIRE FOY All of Us Strangers
SANDRA HÜLLER The Zone of Interest
ROSAMUND PIKE Saltburn
DA’VINE JOY RANDOLPH The Holdovers

SUPPORTING ACTOR

ROBERT DE NIRO Killers of The Flower Moon
ROBERT DOWNEY JR. Oppenheimer
JACOB ELORDI Saltburn
RYAN GOSLING Barbie
PAUL MESCAL All of Us Strangers
DOMINIC SESSA The Holdovers

ORIGINAL SCORE

KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Robbie Robertson
OPPENHEIMER Ludwig Göransson
POOR THINGS Jerskin Fendrix
SALTBURN Anthony Willis
SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE Daniel Pemberton

CASTING

ALL OF US STRANGERS Kahleen Crawford
ANATOMY OF A FALL Cynthia Arra
THE HOLDOVERS Susan Shopmaker
HOW TO HAVE SEX Isabella Odoffin
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Ellen Lewis, Rene Haynes

CINEMATOGRAPHY

KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Rodrigo Prieto
MAESTRO Matthew Libatique
OPPENHEIMER Hoyte van Hoytema
POOR THINGS Robbie Ryan
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Łukasz Żal

EDITING

ANATOMY OF A FALL Laurent Sénéchal
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Thelma Schoonmaker
OPPENHEIMER Jennifer Lame
POOR THINGS Yorgos Mavropsaridis
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Paul Watts

PRODUCTION DESIGN

BARBIE Sarah Greenwood, Katie Spencer
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Jack Fisk, Adam Willis
OPPENHEIMER Ruth De Jong, Claire Kaufman
POOR THINGS Shona Heath, James Price, Zsuzsa Mihalek
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Chris Oddy, Joanna Maria Kuś, Katarzyna Sikora

COSTUME DESIGN

BARBIE Jacqueline Durran
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Jacqueline West
NAPOLEON Dave Crossman, Janty Yates
OPPENHEIMER Ellen Mirojnick
POOR THINGS Holly Waddington

MAKE UP & HAIR

KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON Kay Georgiou, Thomas Nellen
MAESTRO Sian Grigg, Kay Georgiou, Kazu Hiro, Lori McCoy-Bell
NAPOLEON Jana Carboni, Francesco Pegoretti, Satinder Chumber, Julia Vernon
OPPENHEIMER Luisa Abel, Jaime Leigh McIntosh, Jason Hamer, Ahou Mofid
POOR THINGS Nadia Stacey, Mark Coulier, Josh Weston

SOUND

FERRARI Angelo Bonanni, Tony Lamberti, Andy Nelson, Lee Orloff, Bernard Weiser
MAESTRO Richard King, Steve Morrow, Tom Ozanich, Jason Ruder, Dean Zupancic
MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE – DEAD RECKONING PART ONE Chris Burdon, James H. Mather, Chris Munro, Mark Taylor
OPPENHEIMER Willie Burton, Richard King, Kevin O'Connell, Gary A. Rizzo
THE ZONE OF INTEREST Johnnie Burn, Tarn Willers

SPECIAL VISUAL EFFECTS

THE CREATOR Jonathan Bullock, Charmaine Chan, Ian Comley, Jay Cooper
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 3 Theo Bialek, Stephane Ceretti, Alexis Wajsbrot, Guy Williams
MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE – DEAD RECKONING PART ONE Neil Corbould, Simone Coco, Jeff Sutherland, Alex Wuttke
NAPOLEON Henry Badgett, Neil Corbould, Charley Henley, Luc-Ewen Martin-Fenouillet
POOR THINGS Simon Hughes

BRITISH SHORT ANIMATION

CRAB DAY Ross Stringer, Bartosz Stanislawek, Aleksandra Sykulak
VISIBLE MENDING Samantha Moore, Tilley Bancroft
WILD SUMMON Karni Arieli, Saul Freed, Jay Woolley

BRITISH SHORT FILM

FESTIVAL OF SLAPS Abdou Cissé, Cheri Darbon, George Telfer
GORKA Joe Weiland, Alex Jefferson
JELLYFISH AND LOBSTER Yasmin Afifi, Elizabeth Rufai
SUCH A LOVELY DAY Simon Woods, Polly Stokes, Emma Norton, Kate Phibbs
YELLOW Elham Ehsas, Dina Mousawi, Azeem Bhati, Yiannis Manolopoulos

EE RISING STAR AWARD

PHOEBE DYNEVOR
AYO EDEBIRI
JACOB ELORDI
MIA MCKENNA-BRUCE
SOPHIE WILDE

wtf Saltburn.

I hate (what I saw of) Saltburn, but that being in the mix at least makes some sense to me. I thought we were finally starting to get over detritus like Maestro as a society.

I mean, why they didn't go full monty and snub Killers in best picture in favor of Maestro is a mystery

Saltburn isn't a great film but it's leagues above Wonka

no it isn't

i've seen both and wonka was way less boring

wonka was essentially a paddington film with a different IP stuffed in there tho, i was bound to have a good time

the important difference between Paddington and Wonka is that Paddington was not shit and Wonka was shit.

The BAFTAs have done more than anything to confirm a certain incompatibility between the words ‘British’ and ‘cinema’. They’re not worth taking seriously.

i def enjoyed Wonka more than Saltburn.

one of these films has hugh laurie as an oompa loompa and the other has a guy guzzling cum from a drain, you tell me which one you want to watch

the cum guzzling one

Yeah, I'm not sure you set up a fair fight there akm

I want to watch Charlie and the Cum Factory

wanka

Where snozzberries do not taste like snozzberries

fortunately Timothée Chalamet already starred in a film with cum slurping.

timothee cumchalet

Is American Fiction a 2023 movie or 2024?

2023 ... BAFTA giving it zilch is pretty on-brand tbh

Maestro really does feel like a film made specifically to exist within its year of release, and leading up to awards season. After that, quickly forgotten.

There's absolutely no excuse for that film being in best director

Maestro > Saltburn

both maestro and saltburn fail storywise in the same way: they are unconvincing.

xp they're both easily among the five worst things I saw last year, no need to split hairs

Wonka was an overegged pudding. Feels like it was written by committee.

multiple friends said i should watch saltburn because they thought i would like it, based on brief glances at the poster and trailer i found this vaguely insulting. the other day i walked by while my gf was watching it, caught the part with barry keoghan sucking cum from the drain and now i really don't know what to think

One other thing ... BAFTA couldn't have more effectively kneecapped Oppenheimer's two biggest threats if they'd done so consciously. Killers is in picture, but with no nods for DiCaprio/Gladstone/Scorsese/screenplay, and Barbie ... well, I've been wondering if maybe that movie making any big awards plays was a bit of a pipe dream in the first place.

Tossing these here because yeah: https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/2024-oscar-nomination-predictions/

Should've seen it coming, but Killers is quickly becoming The Irishman 2.0: https://www.avclub.com/oppenheimer-is-squeezing-killers-of-the-flower-moon-out-1851177144

Oh, and David E's annual top 25 video montage (the best thing he does every year in the way of criticism) is up: https://vimeo.com/900680873

Finally, some (comparatively) good fucking food. International Cinephile Society "nominations"

PICTURE
• All of Us Strangers
• Anatomy of a Fall
• The Boy and the Heron
• Close Your Eyes
• The Delinquents
• Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World
• Fallen Leaves
• Foremost by Night
• Here
• The Human Surge 3
• Inside the Yellow Cocoon Shell
• Killers of the Flower Moon
• La Chimera
• May December
• Our Body
• Poor Things
• Samsara
• Society of the Snow
• Tótem
• The Zone of Interest

DIRECTOR
• Lila Avilés – Tótem
• Víctor Erice – Close Your Eyes
• Jonathan Glazer – The Zone of Interest
• Andrew Haigh – All of Us Strangers
• Radu Jude – Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World
• Justine Triet – Anatomy of a Fall

ACTOR
• Paul Giamatti – The Holdovers
• Karim Leklou – Sons of Ramses
• Josh O’Connor – La Chimera
• Andrew Scott – All of Us Strangers
• Manolo Solo – Close Your Eyes
• Koji Yakusho – Perfect Days

ACTRESS
• Lily Gladstone – Killers of the Flower Moon
• Sandra Hüller – Anatomy of a Fall
• Ilinca Manolache – Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World
• Alma Pöysti – Fallen Leaves
• Emma Stone – Poor Things
• Teyana Taylor – A Thousand and One

SUPPORTING ACTOR
• Jamie Bell – All of Us Strangers
• José Coronado – Close Your Eyes
• Mateo Garcia – Tótem
• Milo Machado Graner – Anatomy of a Fall
• Charles Melton – May December
• Ben Whishaw – Passages

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
• Claire Foy – All of Us Strangers
• Julianne Moore – May December
• Da’Vine Joy Randolph – The Holdovers
• Catalina Saavedra – Rotting in the Sun
• Ana Torrent – Close Your Eyes
• Ana Torrent – Foremost by Night

ENSEMBLE
• All of Us Strangers
• Anatomy of a Fall
• Asteroid City
• Close Your Eyes
• Society of the Snow
• Tótem

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
• Afire – Christian Petzold
• Anatomy of a Fall – Justine Triet, Arthur Harari
• Close Your Eyes – Víctor Erice, Michel Gaztambide
• Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World – Radu Jude
• May December – Samy Burch, Alex Mechanik
• Monster – Yuji Sakamoto
• Tótem – Lila Avilés

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
• All of Us Strangers – Andrew Haigh
• The Beast in the Jungle – Patric Chiha, Jihane Chouaib, Axelle Ropert
• Killers of the Flower Moon – Eric Roth, Martin Scorsese
• Poor Things – Tony McNamara
• Society of the Snow – J.A. Bayona, Jaime Marques, Bernat Vilaplana, Nicolás Casariego
• The Zone of Interest – Jonathan Glazer

CINEMATOGRAPHY
• All of Us Strangers – Jamie Ramsay
• Close Your Eyes – Valentín Álvarez
• Inside the Yellow Cocoon Shell – Dinh Duy Hung
• La Chimera – Hélène Louvart
• Samsara – Mauro Herce, Jessica Sarah Rinland
• The Zone of Interest – Lukasz Zal

EDITING
• All of Us Strangers – Jonathan Alberts
• Anatomy of a Fall – Laurent Sénéchal
• Close Your Eyes – Ascen Marchena
• Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World – Catalin Cristutiu
• Oppenheimer – Jennifer Lame
• Society of the Snow – Andrés Gil, Jaume Martí

PRODUCTION DESIGN
• Asteroid City – Adam Stockhausen, Kris Moran
• Barbie – Sarah Greenwood, Katie Spencer
• Close Your Eyes – Curru Garabal
• Foremost by Night – Katixa Silva, Izaskun Urkijo
• Killers of the Flower Moon – Jack Fisk, Adam Willis
• Poor Things – Shona Heath, James Price, Zsuzsa Mihalek

SCORE
• The Boy and the Heron – Joe Hisaishi
• Disco Boy – Vitalic
• Killers of the Flower Moon – Robbie Robertson
• Monster – Ryuichi Sakamoto
• A Thousand and One – Gary Gunn
• The Zone of Interest – Mica Levi

SOUND DESIGN
• All of Us Strangers – Joakim Sundström
• The Boy and the Heron – Koji Kasamatsu
• Maestro – Richard King, Steve Morrow, Tom Ozanich, Jason Ruder, Dean Zupancic
• Oppenheimer – Richard King, Kevin O’Connell, Gary A. Rizzo, Willie Burton
• Samsara – Xabier Erkizia, Luca Rulio
• The Zone of Interest – Johnnie Burn, Tarn Willers

ANIMATED FILM
• The Boy and the Heron – Hayao Miyazaki
• Chicken for Linda! – Sébastien Laudenbach, Chiara Malta
• Mars Express – Jérémie Périn
• Robot Dreams – Pablo Berger
• Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse – Joaquim Dos Santos, Kemp Powers, Justin K. Thompson
• Suzume – Makoto Shinkai

DOCUMENTARY
• Bye Bye Tiberias – Lina Soualem
• The Mother of All Lies – Asmae El Moudir
• Orlando, My Political Biography – Paul B. Preciado
• Our Body – Claire Simon
• Pictures of Ghosts – Kleber Mendonça Filho
• Youth (Spring) – Wang Bing

DEBUT FILM
• 20,000 Species of Bees – Estibaliz Urresola Solaguren
• Chien de la casse – Jean-Baptiste Durand
• Foremost by Night – Víctor Iriarte
• Inside the Yellow Cocoon Shell – Pham Thien An
• Past Lives – Celine Song
• Patagonia – Simone Bozzelli

BREAKTHROUGH PERFORMANCE
• Milo Machado Graner – Anatomy of a Fall
• Ilinca Manolache – Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World
• Charles Melton – May December
• Sofía Otero – 20,000 Species of Bees
• Raphaël Quenard – Chien de la casse
• Naíma Sentíes – Tótem
• Dominic Sessa – The Holdovers

And, in "who honestly even fucking cares anymore," this year's Razzie nominations:

Worst Picture
The Exorcist: Believer
Expend4bles
Meg 2: The Trench
Shazam! Fury of the Gods
Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey

Worst Actor
Russell Crowe – The Pope’s Exorcist
Vin Diesel – Fast X
Chris Evans – Ghosted
Jason Statham – Meg 2: The Trench
Jon Voight – Mercy

Worst Actress
Ana de Armas – Ghosted
Megan Fox – Johnny & Clyde
Salma Hayek – Magic Mike’s Last Dance
Jennifer Lopez – The Mother
Dame Helen Mirren - Shazam! Fury of the Gods

Worst Supporting Actress
Kim Cattrall – About My Father
Megan Fox – Expend4bles
Bai Ling – Johnny & Clyde
Lucy Liu – Shazam! Fury of the Gods
Mary Stuart Masterson – Five Nights at Freddy’s

Worst Supporting Actor
Michael Douglas – Ant Man & The Wasp: Quantumania
Mel Gibson – Confidential Informant
Bill Murray – Ant Man & The Wasp: Quantumania
Franco Nero – The Pope’s Exorcist
Sylvester Stallone – Expend4ables

Worst Director
Rhys Frake-Waterfield – Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey
David Gordon Green – The Exorcist: Believer
Peyton Reed – Ant Man & the Wasp: Quantumania
Scott Waugh – Expend4bles
Ben Wheatley – Meg 2: The Trench

Worst Screenplay
The Exorcist: Believer
Expend4bles
Indiana Jones and the Dial of…Can I go home now?
Shazam! Fury of the Gods
Winnie the Pooh: Blood & Honey

Worst Screen Couple
Any 2 “Merciless Mercenaries” – Expend4bles
Any 2 Money-Grubbing Investors Who Donated to the $400 Million for Remake Rights to The Exorcist
Ana de Armas & Chris Evans (who flunked Screen Chemistry) – Ghosted
Salma Hayek & Channing Tatum – Magic Mike’s Last Dance
Pooh & Piglet as Blood-Thirsty Slasher/Killers(!) in Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey

Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel
Ant Man & The Wasp: Quantumania
The Exorcist: Believer
Expend4bles
Indiana Jones and The Dial of…Still Beating a Dead Horse
Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey

That last thing you mentioned: I'm glad it wasn't spelled out one way or the other, but I did come to believe that's what happened.

• Pictures of Ghosts – Kleber Mendonça Filho

<3 highly recommend this. to be honest, I just love to see my hometown in a big screen (it played in NYFF last year)

Ha, I saw the Ant-Man movie and I can't remember at all that Bill Murray was in it.

And now we arrive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypr7MgU1Ykw

Oh, is it time?

I'm ready

no Dafoe!

wait did KOTFM get snubbed for screenplay?

America Ferrera and ugh Emily Blunt made it.

good job everyone who called Ferrera

I don't think Blunt was in doubt.