This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2023

Greta Lee's feels increasingly plausible, but she's probably going to have to knock out Huller or Robbie to get there. Teo Yoo def gave my favorite of the three performances tho

(Am still fantasizing about Maestro somehow coming up blank in the major categories.)

(xpost) Both great, but I'd agree, he was the slightly greater of the two. Some beautiful cinematography, too.

I'm not persuaded Robbie makes it.

The headlines write themselves if that comes to pass

Esp since Mulligan plays "a wife," Huller plays "a wife," and even Gladstone plays "a wife" if you so choose to bend the narrative to fit that whole hot take

xps Glenn Kenny even put The Holdovers at #10.

I liked it - not as much, but if I had to pick 20 or 30 films worth seeing this year, it would be there.

Which Huller performance is tipped for the nomination? Could she be nominated twice?

She could be (it's happened before), but the Anatomy of a Fall nom seems more likely.

I must say, the embrace of Da'Vine Joy Randolph's work has disappointed me. The role is a tired musty thing which she tries her best to polish. Voters who chose it, sorry, weren't watching many films in 2023.

It feels a little bit like one of those cases where a truly wide-open field somehow breaks in the exact opposite direction because, I guess, intertia?

As of rn, and what's viable, I'm backing Rachel McAdams pretty wholeheartedly

In my group we'll know soon.

She could be (it's happened before), but the Anatomy of a Fall nom seems more likely.

― jaymc, Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:27 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

To clarify, actors have been nominated before in separate categories (lead and supporting) in the same year, most recently ScarJo in 2019. AFAIK, there aren't any rules against actors being nominated twice in the same category, it's just never happened before. But if Huller were nominated for Zone of Interest, it would be in supporting.

I am going to see The Holdovers just for those faces Giamatti makes.

You're in luck. He makes them.

London Film Crix much sweeter on All of Us Strangers than stateside's been so far:

Film of the Year

All of Us Strangers
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
The Holdovers
Killers of the Flower Moon
May December
Oppenheimer
Past Lives
Poor Things
The Zone of Interest

Director of the Year

Greta Gerwig, Barbie
Jonathan Glazer, The Zone of Interest
Yorgos Lanthimos, Poor Things
Christopher Nolan, Oppenheimer
Martin Scorsese, Killers of the Flower Moon

Actor of the Year

Bradley Cooper, Maestro
Paul Giamatti, The Holdovers
Cillian Murphy, Oppenheimer
Andrew Scott, All of Us Strangers
Jeffrey Wright, American Fiction

Actress of the Year

Lily Gladstone, Killers of the Flower Moon
Sandra Hüller, Anatomy of a Fall
Greta Lee, Past Lives
Carey Mulligan, Maestro
Emma Stone, Poor Things

Supporting Actor of the Year

Robert Downey Jr., Oppenheimer
Ryan Gosling, Barbie
Charles Melton, May December
Paul Mescal, All of Us Strangers
Mark Ruffalo, Poor Things

Supporting Actress of the Year

Claire Foy, All of Us Strangers
Sandra Hüller, The Zone of Interest
Julianne Moore, May December
Rosamund Pike, Saltburn
Da’Vine Joy Randolph, The Holdovers

Breakthrough Performer of the Year

Greta Lee, Past Lives
Mia McKenna-Bruce, How to Have Sex
Vivian Oparah, Rye Lane
Dominic Sessa, The Holdovers
Cailee Spaeny, Priscilla

Screenwriter of the Year

Andrew Haigh, All of Us Strangers
Justine Triet and Arthur Harari, Anatomy of a Fall
Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach, Barbie
Christopher Nolan, Oppenheimer
Celine Song, Past Lives

Animated Film of the Year

The Boy and the Heron
Robot Dreams
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
Suzume
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem

Documentary of the Year

20 Days in Mariupol
Beyond Utopia
The Eternal Memory
Scala!!!
Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie

Foreign Language Film of the Year

Anatomy of a Fall
The Boy and the Heron
Fallen Leaves
Past Lives
The Zone of Interest

British/Irish Film of the Year

All of Us Strangers
How to Have Sex
Poor Things
Rye Lane
The Zone of Interest

THE ATTENBOROUGH AWARD: British/Irish Performer of the Year

Paul Mescal for All of Us Strangers, God’s Creatures, Foe, and Carmen
Carey Mulligan for Maestro and Saltburn
Cillian Murphy for Oppenheimer
Andrew Scott for All of Us Strangers
Tilda Swinton for The Eternal Daughter, The Killer, and Asteroid City

THE PHILIP FRENCH AWARD: Breakthrough British/Irish Filmmaker

Raine Allen-Miller, Rye Lane
Sam H. Freeman and Ng Choon Ping, Femme
Molly Manning Walker, How to Have Sex
Nida Manzoor, Polite Society
Charlotte Regan, Scrapper

British/Irish Short Film of the Year

For People in Trouble (Alex Lawther)
Muna (Warda Mohammed)
Outlets (Duncan Cowles)
Predators (Jack King)
The Veiled City (Nathalie Cubides-Brady)

Technical Achievement Award

All of Us Strangers – Kahleen Crawford for casting
Barbie – Sarah Greenwood for production design
The First Slam Dunk – Kôji Kasamatsu for sound design
Full Time – Mathilde Van De Moortel for film editing
Killers of the Flower Moon – Thelma Schoonmaker for film editing
Medusa Deluxe – Eugene Souleiman for makeup & hair
Oppenheimer – Andrew Jackson for visual effects
Past Lives – Shabier Kirchner for cinematography
Poor Things – Holly Waddington for costumes
Saltburn – Kharmel Cochrane for casting
The Zone of Interest – Mica Levi for music & Johnnie Burn for sound

We'll announce our winners around noon EST. I'm shocked in the best sort of way.

Bold prediction: you will not see me being excited about the winners either of the groups I’m in selects. (Not Sl4nt. Those ones I am routinely proud of.)

We did it.

http://www.floridafilmcritics.com/2023/12/21/the-boy-and-the-heron-flies-high-with-florida-film-critics/

wow, great picks?!!!?!

Ok, I’ll hand it to you, that’s a good slate

The screenplay categories are gonna break my spirit this year

I was particularly proud of Rogowski and Best Director.

Yeah, I think (shockingly) that's Haynes' first actual crix citation?

No!!

On a much dumber note, AMPAS releases shortlists for a number of categories: https://aframe.oscars.org/news/post/96th-oscars-shortlists

It's beginning to look a lot like Society of the Snow's mounting an All Quiet-ish run?

I’m only sorry Morbs wasn’t alive to see it

Earlier this year, writers and actors went on strike to advocate for better working conditions and protections. It led to important changes that will transform the industry for the better.

Here are some films that reflect their hard work over the last year — including some like… pic.twitter.com/TMH9LeQgsT

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) December 27, 2023

dude couldn't even give a nod to barbie? cmon man

He’s lost his politic touch

(Also, everyone’s dunking on the Leave the World Behind citation, but Rustin is pretty embarrassing as a movie also)

Shorts not eligible? https://boxd.it/Iq04

Oprah made a call. https://t.co/qMC8zHCAaP

— FilmBart (@FilmBart) December 28, 2023

he would love American Fiction.

https://thereveal.substack.com/p/the-best-movies-of-2023-scotts-list

This "bonus award" caught my eye, as sort of an ashes-to-ashes moment for why I believe this will be the last year I do detrius threads here:

Most Annoying Discourse: The death of discourse.
Every year, there are usually so many candidates for this category, as awards contenders send everyone to their battle stations and social media is flush with extreme positions on the movies of the day. Yet Twitter has always been the primary driver of annoying discourse and its collapse this year under Elon Musk’s leadership has scattered enough users to the winds that few issues have gained much traction. Even Bradley Cooper’s prosthetic nose in Maestro, a classic annoying-discourse topic, failed to stoke more than an extinguishable brush fire. We still have a couple of months before the Oscars to turn things around, but these eyes have not been rolling as often as they usually do.

She’s trying to find good acting in Maestro https://t.co/xrBszXLLrE

— Rocco T. Thompson (@roccotthompson) January 3, 2024

Better than Maestro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kbSm04xdg

Leaving on its proper thread, but here's the annual "better than" list:

another maniacal Armond White review, this time "Fahrenheit 9/11"

BAFTA longlists:

BEST FILM

All of Us Strangers
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
The Holdovers
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Oppenheimer
Past Lives
Poor Things
The Zone of Interest

OUTSTANDING BRITISH FILM

All of Us Strangers
Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget
The Deepest Breath
The Great Escaper
How to Have Sex
Napoleon
The Old Oak
One Life
Poor Things
Rye Lane
Saltburn
Scrapper
Tetris
Wonka
The Zone of Interest

OUTSTANDING DEBUT BY A BRITISH WRITER, DIRECTOR OR PRODUCER

Blue Bag Life
Bobi Wine: The People's President
Earth Mama
The End We Start From
How To Have Sex
If the Streets Were on Fire
Is There Anybody Out There?
Polite Society
Rye Lane
Scrapper

FILM NOT IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE

20 Days In Mariupol
Anatomy of a Fall
The Boy And The Heron
The Eight Mountains
Fallen Leaves
Past Lives
Society of the Snow
The Taste of Things
The Teachers' Lounge
The Zone of Interest

DOCUMENTARY

20 Days In Mariupol
American Symphony
Beyond Utopia
The Deepest Breath
High & Low - John Galliano
Little Richard: I Am Everything
Mad About The Boy: The Noël Coward Story
The Pigeon Tunnel
Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie
Wham!

ANIMATED FILM

The Boy And The Heron
Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget
Elemental
Nimona
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
The Super Mario Bros. Movie
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem
Wish

DIRECTOR

Anatomy of a Fall
All of Us Strangers
American Fiction
Barbie
The Holdovers
How to Have Sex
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Oppenheimer
Past Lives
Poor Things
Priscilla
Rye Lane
Saltburn
Scrapper
The Zone of Interest

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY

Air
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
The Holdovers
How to Have Sex
Maestro
May December
Past Lives
Rye Lane
Saltburn

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY

All of Us Strangers
American Fiction
Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret.
Dumb Money
The Killer
Killers of The Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Wonka
The Zone of Interest

LEADING ACTRESS

Annette Bening, NYAD
Carey Mulligan, Maestro
Emma Stone, Poor Things
Fantasia Barrino, The Color Purple
Greta Lee, Past Lives
Lily Gladstone, Killers of The Flower Moon
Margot Robbie, Barbie
Mia McKenna-Bruce, How to Have Sex
Sandra Hüller, Anatomy of a Fall
Vivian Oparah, Rye Lane

LEADING ACTOR

Andrew Scott, All of Us Strangers
Barry Keoghan, Saltburn
Bradley Cooper, Maestro
Cillian Murphy, Oppenheimer
Colman Domingo, Rustin
George MacKay, Femme
Jeffrey Wright, American Fiction
Leonardo DiCaprio, Killers of The Flower Moon
Paul Giamatti, The Holdovers
Teo Yoo, Past Lives

SUPPORTING ACTRESS

America Ferrera, Barbie
Cara Jade Myers, Killers of The Flower Moon
Claire Foy, All of Us Strangers
Danielle Brooks, The Color Purple
Da'Vine Joy Randolph, The Holdovers
Emily Blunt, Oppenheimer
Jodie Foster, NYAD
Julianne Moore, May December
Rosamund Pike, Saltburn
Sandra Hüller, The Zone of Interest

SUPPORTING ACTOR

Anthony Hopkins, One Life
Ben Whishaw, Passages
Dominic Sessa, The Holdovers
Jacob Elordi, Saltburn
Jamie Bell, All of Us Strangers
Mark Ruffalo, Poor Things
Paul Mescal, All of Us Strangers
Robert De Niro, Killers of The Flower Moon
Robert Downey Jr., Oppenheimer
Ryan Gosling, Barbie

CASTING

All of Us Strangers
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
The Holdovers
How to Have Sex
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Oppenheimer
Saltburn
Scrapper

CINEMATOGRAPHY

Barbie
The Creator
Ferrari
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Saltburn
The Zone of Interest

COSTUME DESIGN

Asteroid City
Barbie
Ferrari
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Saltburn
Wonka

EDITING

All of Us Strangers
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Saltburn
The Zone of Interest

MAKE UP & HAIR

Barbie
Ferrari
Golda
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Priscilla
Wonka

ORIGINAL SCORE

American Fiction
Barbie
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Killers of The Flower Moon
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Saltburn
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
Wonka

PRODUCTION DESIGN

Asteroid City
Barbie
Ferrari
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Wonka
The Zone of Interest

SPECIAL VISUAL EFFECTS

Barbie
The Creator
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
Wonka

SOUND

Barbie
Ferrari
Killers of The Flower Moon
Maestro
Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One
Napoleon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
Wonka
The Zone of Interest

BRITISH SHORT ANIMATION

Crab Day
Sweet Like Lemons
The Smeds and The Smoos
Visible Mending
Wild Summon
World to Roam

BRITISH SHORT FILM

Essex Girls
Festival of Slaps
Finding Alaa
Gorka
Jellyfish and Lobster
Jill, Uncredited
Mighty Penguins
The One Note Man
Such A Lovely Day
Yellow

First impressions

* Society of the Snow is not going to be another All Quiet on the Western Front
* May December is in big trouble
* Saltburn is going to grab that 10th best picture Oscar slot, thereby becoming the worst movie nominated for the award since, well, Promising Young Woman

Disappointing that “Tish” didn’t make the documentary shortlist.

May December will sub for All of Us Strangers

Nope, Saltburn over either.

Huh, I didn't realize BAFTA did longlists.

Not sure I see any tea leaves in there about Saltburn's Oscar chances, though: It shows up in a lot of categories, but not in Best Picture. And it's a British film, so I'd expect they'd give it a friendlier reception.

Agreed that All of Us Strangers is the least likely of the BAFTA Best Pic nominees to make the Oscar Best Pic list, but even if May December falters, I'd say American Fiction and The Color Purple both stand a better chance of taking that 10th slot.

Only just now realized American Fiction missed BAFTA's BP roster. That has a way better shot than either All of Us Strangers or, imo, The Zone of Interest

The National Society of Film Critics’ 58th annual voting meeting is about to begin. Follow this account for live winner announcements, category by category.

— National Society of Film Critics (@NatSocFilmCrix) January 6, 2024

Full winners:

Best Picture: “Past Lives”
Runners-up:
“The Zone of Interest”
“Oppenheimer”

Best Director: Jonathan Glazer, “The Zone of Interest”
Runners-up:
Todd Haynes, “May December”
Christopher Nolan, “Oppenheimer”

Best Film Not in the English Language: “Fallen Leaves”
Runners-up:
“The Zone of Interest”
“Anatomy of a Fall”

Best Nonfiction Film: “Menus-Plaisirs — Les Troisgros”
Runners-up:
“20 Days in Mariupol”
“Kokomo City”

Best Actor: Andrew Scott, “All of Us Strangers”
Runners-up:
Jeffrey Wright, “American Fiction”
Cillian Murphy, “Oppenheimer”

Best Actress: Sandra Hüller, “Anatomy of a Fall” and “The Zone of Interest”
Runners-up:
Emma Stone, “Poor Things”
Lily Gladstone, “Killers of the Flower Moon”

Best Supporting Actor: Charles Melton, “May December”
Runners-up: Robert Downey, Jr., “Oppenheimer”, and Ryan Gosling, “Barbie” (tie)

Best Supporting Actress: Da’Vine Joy Randolph, “The Holdovers”
Runners-up:
Penélope Cruz, “Ferrari”
Rachel McAdams, “Are You There God? It’s Me, Margaret”

Best screenplay: Samy Burch, “May December”
Runners-up:
Celine Song, “Past Lives”
David Hemingson, “The Holdovers”

Best cinematography: Rodrigo Prieto, “Killers of the Flower Moon”
Runners-up:
Łukasz Żal, “The Zone of Interest”
Hoyte van Hoytema, “Oppenheimer”

Best experimental film: Jean Luc-Godard’s “Trailer of a Film That Will Never Exist: Phony Wars”

Film heritage award: Criterion Channel

Film heritage award: Facets, Kim’s Video, Scarecrow Video and Vidiots

Special citation for a film awaiting U.S. distribution: Víctor Erice’s “Close Your Eyes”

Wow. Boring!

More boring than LA this year, but less boring than NY ... Still, zero awards for Oppy and only one for Flower Moon, I'm happy.

Plus Andrew Scott's first actual win!

Nice to see Ferrari getting a bit of love.