This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2023

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If box office is robust, all bets are off, but it doesn't seem like the sort of movie that's going to do Greatest Showman numbers.

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 11 December 2023 16:23 (two years ago)

I'm not getting my hopes unnecessarily up for a best actress Oscar lineup that is majority foreign-language/bilingual

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 11 December 2023 16:24 (two years ago)

I'm filling out my FFCC ballot as I type.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 December 2023 16:54 (two years ago)

Glad to see Portman in comedy!

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 December 2023 16:54 (two years ago)

Here we go -- another year when certain tropes in casting Black supporting actresses never get vetoed.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 December 2023 17:01 (two years ago)

I didn’t remember Wonka is also a musical … so two big splashy year-end musicals fail to make best picture in a category partially designed specifically for them, and Air somehow momentarily escapes its fate as a movie no one remembers three years from now

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:58 (two years ago)

Here’s Amy Taubin’s yanked-from-Artforum top 10 list;

We're humbled to share Amy Taubin's (@AmyOrNot) Best Films of 2023 list, which was pulled from the December issue of Artforum in protest against the firing of the magazine’s great editor-in-chief David Velasco. https://t.co/AbXrh6pTJZ

— Screen Slate (@ScreenSlate) December 12, 2023



No idea who will take James Quandt’s

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 16:39 (two years ago)

May December is a comedy now? ok

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 16:43 (two years ago)

Its own producer called it a funny movie fwiw

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 16:49 (two years ago)

Another Artforum cast-off

The decision to retract my list from Artforum and publish it myself wasn't an easy one, but it felt like the right thing to do. And if you ask Artforum about this, they will deny it just to save face

— Charles Bramesco (@intothecrevasse) December 12, 2023

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 16:49 (two years ago)

May December is a comedy now? ok

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, December 12, 2023 11:43 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes. I laughed every few minutes

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 17:09 (two years ago)

it is simultaneously fucking hilarious and deeply unsettling. just like all of my favorite novels

ivy., Tuesday, 12 December 2023 17:18 (two years ago)

Yep, which is why I rank it right up there with Safe and Superstar as his best

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 17:55 (two years ago)

From the BFI ballots, J.Ro’s top 10

Jonathan Rosenbaum
Critic, USA

Afire (Christian Petzold, Germany)
Barbie (Greta Gerwig, US)
The Daughters of Fire (Pedro Costa, Portugal)
Killers of the Flower Moon (Martin Scorsese, US)
Master Gardener (Paul Schrader, US)
No Bears (Jafar Panahi, Iran)
The Runner (1984) (Amir Naderi, Iran)
Saint Omer (Alice Diop, France)
The Taking (Alexandre O. Philippe, US)
The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar (Wes Anderson, UK, US)

Alphabetical order. Although we tend to embrace the expedient fiction that all films are created equal, my inability to see the latest Radu Jude feature before the October deadline has to weighed against how much easier it was to get to the Anderson, Gerwig, Schrader, and Scorsese. Money talks – and, indeed, canonises.

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 18:15 (two years ago)

Three of those are 2022 releases going with the U.S. theatrical release - maybe there was a belated U.K. release?

birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 01:06 (two years ago)

(The three being No Bears, the belated theatrical distribution of The Runner, and Saint Omer. All great FWIW.)

birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 01:07 (two years ago)

Chicago gets right into the middle(brow) of it all:

Best Picture: Killers of the Flower Moon
Best Director: Christopher Nolan, Oppenheimer
Best Actor: Paul Giamatti, The Holdovers
Best Actress: Emma Stone, Poor Things
Best Supporting Actor: Charles Melton, May December
Best Supporting Actress: Da’Vine Joy Randolph, The Holdovers
Best Original Screenplay: Samy Burch, May December
Best Adapted Screenplay: Eric Roth and Martin Scorsese, Killers of the Flower Moon
Best Animated Feature: The Boy and the Heron
Best Documentary: Kokomo City
Best Foreign Language Film: The Zone of Interest

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 16:00 (two years ago)

We have spoken!

http://www.floridafilmcritics.com/2023/12/13/oppenheimer-killers-of-the-flower-moon-past-lives-lead-pack-with-most-nominations/

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 22:06 (two years ago)

I only got a few of mine in, guess which

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 22:08 (two years ago)

exp It's strange how Chicago really put middlebrow criticism on the map with Siskel & Ebert and yet it was also the home base to some of the very best alternative weekly critics of the past 50 years (maybe even the two best).

birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:53 (two years ago)

That's new - autocorrect turning xxp into exp

birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:54 (two years ago)

Rogowski, McAdams, and Weaver?

Were you among those holding Barbie off at the pass?

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:57 (two years ago)

it was also the home base to some of the very best alternative weekly critics of the past 50 years (maybe even the two best).

Rosenbaum and ... Kehr?

jaymc, Thursday, 14 December 2023 00:18 (two years ago)

Dave Kehr, correct - though it's kind of weird he did a stint at the Chicago Tribune while Siskel was still there. Per an interview he did decades later (after Siskel had long passed), I think he said the Trib had a falling out with Siskel over something to do with his TV show and hired Kehr to replace him, only to realize soon after that it was stupid to fire a critic who got the paper priceless advertising/publicity via a popular weekly TV show, so they hired him back as a "columnist" with Kehr in Siskel's old position.

birdistheword, Thursday, 14 December 2023 01:29 (two years ago)

Rogowski, McAdams, and Weaver?

Were you among those holding Barbie off at the pass?

― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.)

Barbie wasn't even a factor.

Yes, no, yes.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 December 2023 01:33 (two years ago)

Critics Choice noms:
https://variety.com/2023/film/awards/critics-choice-nominations-2024-full-list-barbie-1235835620/

Nothing too surprising, other than maybe Saltburn as a best picture nominee.

jaymc, Thursday, 14 December 2023 01:48 (two years ago)

Saltburn refuses to just die

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 December 2023 02:56 (two years ago)

Those Chicago picks aren't middlebrow.

Chris L, Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:33 (two years ago)

I like some of those honorees (the ones I've seen at least), but they are absolutely middlebrow. Most big Oscar contenders are.

jaymc, Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:50 (two years ago)

If Oppenheimer and The Holdovers aren't middlebrow, nothing is

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:53 (two years ago)

Inspired me to order Dwight MacDonald's Essays Against the American Grain.

clemenza, Thursday, 14 December 2023 16:02 (two years ago)

Yeah, I think "middlebrow" is sometimes misunderstood as simply middle-of-the-road or bland. But as I undestand it, it's art that appeals to a certain kind of aspirational educated person because it presents itself with a veneer of cultural prestige, even though it is not actually challenging or profound in the way that highbrow art is. It flatters the audience's perception of itself as intelligent and refined. It's often used as a pejorative by critics like MacDonald, but I think it can be useful as a descriptive category regardless of any judgment of quality.

jaymc, Thursday, 14 December 2023 17:13 (two years ago)

From Classic Hollywood, probably defined by William Wyler and Fred Zinnemann (at its best), or Stanley Kramer (at its not-best).

clemenza, Thursday, 14 December 2023 17:27 (two years ago)

and today Alexander Payne is the embodiment of it.

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 December 2023 17:29 (two years ago)

Nolan most definitely too, when he leaves genre behind

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 December 2023 17:44 (two years ago)

I didn't think it was a good movie, but I did appreciate Payne's ambition on Downsized - it was just too lacking in nuance, falling back on a lot of stereotypes and betraying a shallow grasp of the various issues it tried to tackle. I really wish he pulled it off. The new one is clearly within his comfort zone - not a bad film at all, to be fair.

birdistheword, Thursday, 14 December 2023 18:01 (two years ago)

Presenting Film Comment's Top 20 Released Films of 2023

Read full film blurbs from FC contributors, critics, and more: https://t.co/IMsZB36vGt pic.twitter.com/H30LivoEnI

— Film Comment Magazine (@FilmComment) December 15, 2023

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 15 December 2023 03:50 (two years ago)

I don’t agree that Payne is thee most middlebrow director alive but OTOH I’m in no rush to see The Holdovers because I’m averse to most stories about middle-aged academics.

Chris L, Friday, 15 December 2023 07:35 (two years ago)

I will check out Barbie on HBO Max during my vacation and report here on whether it’s middlebrow.

Chris L, Friday, 15 December 2023 07:42 (two years ago)

At the risk of sounding like Meryl Streep in Manhattan, you could probably come up with an interesting Venn Diagram based on Macdonald's idea of middlebrow and Manny Farber's white-elephant art. Lots of overlap, but not the same. Dances with Wolves: both.* Apocalypse Now: white elephant, but not middlebrow. And Payne's Election is termite art and definitely not middlebrow. The Holdovers: totally middlebrow.

*(He says, never having seen it.)

clemenza, Friday, 15 December 2023 13:16 (two years ago)

Some good ballots scattered throughout: https://www.filmcomment.com/best-films-of-2023-individual-ballots/

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:03 (two years ago)

👀

Richard Brody (critic, The New Yorker)

19. The Color Purple
20. Our Body

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:06 (two years ago)

And then this one, in its entirety:

Nathan Lee (critic, scholar)

John Wick: Chapter 4

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:22 (two years ago)

i think the only critic bate movies i've seen this year were Pacifiction (i loved) and Afire (fine, bring back Hoss). I haven't heard of most of these though i did study rogowski's outfit in the stills of that one movie using google image search but that's all i really wanted out of it.

plax (ico), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:30 (two years ago)

ill probably watch some of them after they're on a richard brody end of list like every other uncle

plax (ico), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:31 (two years ago)

I've always hate-read OG's year-worst lists, but this year, his biggest swing happens to be for a movie I also hated: https://variety.com/lists/worst-movies-2023/owen-gleiberman-worst-films/

(At least his dumb swipe against the majesty of Magic Mike XXL restores order a bit.)

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Friday, 15 December 2023 20:32 (two years ago)

Sharing Toronto crix only because they're just about the only ones left of the regionals that aren't breaking hard for Oppenheimer:

Best Picture: The Zone of Interest
(RUs: All of Us Strangers & Killers of the Flower Moon)

Best Director: Jonathan Glazer, The Zone of Interest
(RUs: Martin Scorsese, Killers of the Flower Moon & Justine Triet, Anatomy of a Fall)

Best Lead Performance: Lily Gladstone, Killers of the Flower Moon & Sandra Hüller, Anatomy of a Fall
(RUs: Paul Giamatti, The Holdovers & Andrew Scott, All of Us Strangers & Emma Stone, Poor Things & Kôji Yakusho, Perfect Days)

Best Supporting Performance: Ryan Gosling, Barbie & Da’Vine Joy Randolph, The Holdovers
(RUs: Robert De Niro, Killers of the Flower Moon & Robert Downey, Jr., Oppenheimer & Glenn Howerton, BlackBerry & Charles Melton, May December)

Best Original Screenplay: Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach, Barbie
(RUs: Justine Triet and Arthur Harari, Anatomy of a Fall & Celine Song, Past Lives)

Best Adapted Screenplay: Eric Roth and Martin Scorsese, Killers of the Flower Moon
(RUs: Andrew Haigh, All of Us Strangers & Tony McNamara, Poor Things)

Best Animated Feature: Robot Dreams
(RUs: The Boy and the Heron & Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse)

Allan King Documentary Award: 20 Days in Mariupol
(RUs: The Eternal Memory & Four Daughters & Swan Song)

Best International Feature: Fallen Leaves
(RUs: Anatomy of a Fall & The Zone of Interest)

Best First Feature: Rye Lane
(RUs: American Fiction & Past Lives)

Breakthrough Performance: Teyana Taylor, A Thousand and One
(RUs: Charles Melton, May December & Dominic Sessa, The Holdovers)

Best Performance in a Canadian Film: Glenn Howerton, BlackBerry
(RUs: Jay Baruchel, BlackBerry & Théodore Pellerin, Solo)

Rogers Best Canadian Film nominees: BlackBerry, Humanist Vampire Seeking Consenting Suicidal Person, and Solo
Rogers Best Documentary Award nominees: Rojek, Someone Lives Here, and Swan Song

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Monday, 18 December 2023 22:56 (two years ago)

Stay tuned

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2023 23:13 (two years ago)

I def am … for the International Cinephile Society’s picks in February

stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 00:34 (two years ago)

The Film Stage list is eccentric - Holdovers shouldn’t be in the top 50, let alone top 10.

https://thefilmstage.com/the-film-stages-top-50-films-of-2023/

Piedie Gimbel, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 22:05 (two years ago)


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