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isn't "twofer" the character's name?

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

fuck political correctness in my comedy, go watch the news

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not going to fight toof's battles for him, he seems okay with it.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

it's a nickname (twofer)

entourage isn't funny. family guys isn't funny. 30 rock is, though.

― akm, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, cutty, this is not about political correctness

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

ha, i was talking to cathy

i know better than to argue with you about tv shows

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

twofer may as well be just a background character introduced w/ his name and its explanation

it is one joke and not a funny one

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― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

"urkel" joke probably one of the low points of the entire season--not many

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

fuck political correctness in my comedy, go watch the news

That is exactly what actual racists/homophobes etc. say when defending their jokes.

I don't think that comedians should avoid race issues, just that they should be a little bit cleverer when tackling them. And I really do think comedians should avoid jokes that are racist in the sense that I described before, which I think some of the jokes in 30 Rock are.

If "political correctness" means not being racist, I am really all for it though.

― Cathy, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

OK LET'S MAKE OUR RACISM MORE CLEVER

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'M ALL FOR IT

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

"twofer may as well be just a background character introduced w/ his name and its explanation"

not really, the 'n-word' ep is a hoot.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I remember when they incorporated the hoot into the dandy and it was called "the dandy and hoot" for a short while

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

in a later episode tracy calls a black extra 'carlton'.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

is the guy w/ the hats in the episode?

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

it isn't that the bad jokes are actually racist but that they are lazy enough that they are not "tackling" any "issue" they might "think" they are

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think 30 rock really is trying to tackle any issues besides the roffle issue

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

RJG, your endless string of "quips" are not nearly as "clever" as you "think" they are. Please go update your Two And A Half Men fansite and stop talking about a show that you neither like nor have anything interesting to say about.

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

dont get me wrong i love me some rjg--he is very fussy with his tv

plus he is british

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

^ this is the "guy" that said he "thought" 30 rock was "dealing" w/ race issues "head-on", btw. is where my "tackle" came from

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― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

scottish, sorry :/

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

we're not all rob roys, you know

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, well, "tackle" is your word, RJG. Own it. I never claimed that 30 Rock was an after-school special.

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

are you bald?

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nbc.com/30_Rock/images/bios/scott_adsit.jpg

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tshirtwatch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/jeremy-piven.jpg

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, RJG. Are you a douche?

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'M A NINJA EXPERT

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2006/10/judah.JPG

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

alternartively,

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/264410%7EJeremy-Piven-Posters.jpg

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

lets do a 30 rock hat poll

― ☪, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

HAND HELD

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

xxxpost

No, but seriously: do you have anything interesting/insightful/at all worthwhile to say about this show? Anything?

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

JOYSTICK MASTER

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

see these are funny, rjg.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

You're making me like the trucker hat slogans more.

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

ARCADE CHAMP

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

PROFESSIONAL COMEDIAN

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

I CAN READ SCREENCAPS AND THEN WRITE DOWN THE THINGS THAT I READ

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I managed to trick you

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, this is kinda funny: I see Cathy's logic with being bothered by that joke, but really -- and yeah, maybe this says something about the US -- but that's so low-level for US race-culture jokes that hardly anyone here would bother getting too upset about it, especially since you're as likely to get that sort of thing from black people as white. Maybe even MORE likely to get it from black than white, hence his getting the same thing from Tracy. Also: I don't think the joke is necessarily that Frank is making a fool of himself, but I think most of the time we're meant to sympathize with Toofer as one of the long-suffering sane ones among the ridiculous. We're not being asked to laugh at the fact of a well-educated black man, as if that's a joke in itself -- most of the humor comes from him trying to maintain all his attempted dignity in an environment that doesn't suit it!

P.S. I don't think it's stretching to say that the show's spent a lot of time on race stuff is a pretty sharp way -- that Wayne Brady episode was annoying, but stuff like Toofer vs. Tracy on the n-word episode, or its self-awareness and weird twists on Tracy as the lowbrow "crazy" black clown ... this stuff is usually pretty great, I think.

― nabisco, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

I think the resolution to the Toofer v. Tracy was interesting. They were supposed to write a sketch together, but it got cut for one where Tracy dressed up like Star Jones and barfed all over a kitchen. After watching the sketch, Toofer says something like, "Yeah, this is funnier than our sketch."

― Mr. Que, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

it's definitely sharper (i say as a white britishes lol) than 'studio 60' which has a similar educated black writer vs black performer thing going on, only really cringey.

mr que 8080 too -- that ep also has the 'world record for "biggest mirror"' line which remains my fave.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Haha possibly a comparative point for that Frank joke is the sad-face on Toofer when he finds out his ancestor fought for the confederacy! It's more of a "poor guy can't win" thing than a "joke's on him" thing.

― nabisco, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

"I think most of the time we're meant to sympathize with Toofer as one of the long-suffering sane ones among the ridiculous. We're not being asked to laugh at the fact of a well-educated black man, as if that's a joke in itself -- most of the humor comes from him trying to maintain all his attempted dignity in an environment that doesn't suit it!"

is also otm, as when liz calls him 'sherlock homo', which is kind of ari gold v lloyd in its nastiness. he does the buster keaton thing there too.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, yeah -- I mean, note that his most comic facial expression is that totally crestfallen sad-eyed look.

Incidentally! P.S.! Tracy Morgan spotted walking alone into a McDonald's in my neighborhood, right across the street from the chicken place featured in the first episode, which is now closed! I like to imagine that he wanted chicken and then had to settle.

― nabisco, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Oh actually probably a more common expression = exasperated picked-on look, anywhere along the spectrum from "haha guys VERY FUNNY" to "screw you guys, I'm going home."

― nabisco, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

were you in mcdonalds?

― cutty, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Toofer vs. Tracy on the n-word episode

this episode was amazing.

― horseshoe, Sunday, 29 April 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

it was funny

― RJG, Sunday, 29 April 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

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