HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

The most unbingeable show since Oz, the Roys are all so revolting I'm not sure I can watch more than one a week.

clearly i’m a monster, i can happily binge this show like it’s my goddamn job lol

A new woman joined my badminton club last week who looks eerily like Shiv.

tell her i say hi

She'll just tell me to fuck off. I plan on stepping very lightly.

Kendall's (first?) attempted coup had a Jason Bourne vibe, just needed David Straitharn shouting about going mobile.

Dialing down Kieran Culkin's sadism from the first episode feels like the HBO version of Gossip Girl pretending that Chuck Bass isn't a rapist.

I didn’t realize Dasha is such a terrible actress.

Fun to browse this upcoming auction of Succession props and costumes.

If only Matsson's Needles mohair sweater was a size larger...

yeah love that

uhh the pants are a little long but otherwise you're tempting me on my upcoming wardrobe refresh

would be funny to dress completely in clothes from defunct tv shows

That same auction house had a good Frasier fit in their 80s Cheers auction.

The election and funeral episodes are the worst of the series.

Half agree--thought the funeral episode went on forever, but I liked the election episode.

mmm yes drama is terrible rmde

Funeral episode was great. election episode was even better imo.

It’s not very dramatic, though! The kids are all fools who will eventually be denied the one thing they care about. They don’t have the depth to make it interesting when they’re yelling at each other unless it’s funny and they all stopped being funny for the last few episodes.

Tom and Shiv on the balcony was a great scene, because Tom actually is a good dramatic character (and actor).

https://i.imgur.com/BY46GXu.gif

I don't think the kids are fools! They all (except Connor) change and develop throughout the four seasons -- becoming more self-reflective, developing their moral compasses -- even Roman! Ultimately they don't get their shit together, because the totality of their upbringing has been too traumatic -- but they do all experience interesting internal struggles. Drama!!! I don't see how it's possible to watch all four seasons and still think they're unthinking comedy idiots.

(In the same way that e.g. Mark and Jeremy from Peep Show never change.)

funeral episode is prob the most humanizing for everyone aside from their hangout in the last episode. makes sense ppl who watch this show thinking the mains are stupid depthless assholes wouldn’t like it i guess. but i think the kids have tremendous depth, an endless well just in their relationship with their dad. think about roman losing it at the podium constantly. he pre-grieved

They're idiots but I mean fools in the sense that there was never a way the series ends with any of them attaining their father's love or his power - or escaping it. That could make them doomed tragic figures, but they're ridiculous and that's played for laughs for 90% of the episodes. (And a good tragic figure has some dimensionality to them - some part that could bloom if they weren't doomed.)

I don't know about developing moral compasses - given the chance, Kendall and Roman revert directly to who they were in episode 1 (though Roman's a walking 4Chan meme instead of a guy who emotionally abuses the children of manual laborers). Given an inability to either change or win, their dramatic arcs are just flat. And they're dummies so when they were arguing in a conference room about Trump vs. Gore it was just a snooze.

(And a good tragic figure has some dimensionality to them - some part that could bloom if they weren't doomed.)

that’s the show tho!!!!

Seriously

I think they consistently show an ability to change and win, but self-sabotage gets in the way of the former, and cruel Thomas Hardyesque fate gets in the way of the latter.

I didn't find the last episode very satisfying - for me, it wasn't like something that organically clicked into place, it was more like Jesse Armstrong thinking "hmmm, unhappy ending, bittersweet ending or happy ending? let's go with unhappy". But that's about the sometimes heavy-handed plotting, not the characters/performances.

We're currently hovering somewhere in the third season. We just saw the shareholders meeting episode, which is as close as this show has come to "Veep."

Just finished the show. Nothing new to add but fuck what a ride. As ever, having this thread on hand to read after was total gold.

Goes without saying but gyac, ivy & vege otm all the way through.

:D

Thinking today about how *right* the ending was - how it grounded and gave legitimacy to the entire series. It *had* to be about character in the end, and particularly about the compulsion to repeat. In a weird way, it could have ended at almost any point because nothing is going to change. The whole is in every part. These people are trapped in a hell of traumatic relationships - to power, to parents, to each other - that anything other than a character-driven finale (and such a bleak one) would have been a lie.

otm

"I was reading Mies Van Der Rohe At Work by Peter Carter and there is a quote by Van Der Rohe where he says: "A Sugarbaker never gives in". I think about that a lot." (6)

(6) Mr. Strong is actually paraphrasing a line given by Delta Burke's character Suzanne Sugarbaker in the CBS television series Designing Women and written by series creator Susan Bloodworth-Thomason in the season 2 episode "High Rollers". The full quote as spoken by Ms. Burke is "A Sugarbaker will never give in."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/10/magazine/jeremy-strong-interview.html

I think he's pretty self aware when he talks about how empty he is--he's a walking Bartlett's dictionary of quotes. Good profile

Finally finished this. Objectively well written and acted, subjectively mostly good. Kind of like a cross between "Godfather Part II" and "Entourage."

A new woman joined my badminton club last week who looks eerily like Shiv.
― clemenza, Saturday, November 18, 2023 11:58 AM (seven months ago)

tell her i say hi
― lag∞n, Saturday, November 18, 2023 12:10 PM (seven months ago)

She'll just tell me to fuck off. I plan on stepping very lightly.
― clemenza, Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:47 PM (seven months ago)

She was in the coffee shop this morning! I asked her if she was in badminton (she stopped going after a couple of times); yes. When I was seated, I looked over and said "You know how I remember you?" I showed her a photo of Sarah Snook on the laptop. She did not tell me to fuck off, so a very successful encounter. (Forgot to say hi from you, though.)

Kind of like a cross between "Godfather Part II" and "Entourage."

Interesting, since Mark Mylod directed many Succession episodes and also many Entourage episodes.

Why II instead of I, though? Michael's head the family start-to-finish in II; I is partly about whether Sonny or Michael will succeed the Don--and Tom to an extent, although not being Sicilian or a blood Corleone, probably not possible. (Fredo's a non-starter; Connie doesn't have any power till a bit at the end of II and more in III.)

_A new woman joined my badminton club last week who looks eerily like Shiv.
― clemenza, Saturday, November 18, 2023 11:58 AM (seven months ago)

tell her i say hi
― lag∞n, Saturday, November 18, 2023 12:10 PM (seven months ago)

She'll just tell me to fuck off. I plan on stepping very lightly.
― clemenza, Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:47 PM (seven months ago)_

She was in the coffee shop this morning! I asked her if she was in badminton (she stopped going after a couple of times); yes. When I was seated, I looked over and said "You know how I remember you?" I showed her a photo of Sarah Snook on the laptop. She did not tell me to fuck off, so a very successful encounter. (Forgot to say hi from you, though.)

I'm glad that in real life people aren't as easily creeped out as you seem to be. What exactly is so creepy about telling someone they look like a famous actress? She did not seem to mind in the least. Jesus.

it is prob best that you didnt say hi from an internet poster tho

You see? I knew exactly where to draw the line.

never ever ever tell someone they look like a celeb. ever. not being mean - im helping you by giving this advice.

Still mad at the friend who told me I looked like the singer of Eve 6 in the fall of 1999.

(xpost) I've led a charmed life--62 years and never an issue with this (men included), not even once. Unless I've left a trail of misery and resentment, but my celebrity lookalikes were (see previous post) too traumatized and/or polite to speak up.

ime being told i look like a celebrity has always been neutral to flattering, however being told i look like some random non-famous person they know sucks. "you look like my friend greg" great, do not care, and no i don't

half of the Shiv Roy online fandom is posts about her butt. not sure if that's the best one to share with strangers but ymmv!

There were a few year of my life about ten years ago where strangers would come up and say I looked like Jason Schwartzman about once a month, if not more. Some woman at a show even wanted a photo with me, even though she knew I wasn't actually him. It was always awkward because I never knew what to say when people mentioned it--thanks? I mean, I had nothing to do with it. It's not quite a compliment, more of an observation. If anything, I was surprised he was well-known enough for that number of folks to comment on it, though maybe living in a hip neighborhood of Chicago skewed the results.

ime being told i look like a celebrity has always been neutral to flattering, however being told i look like some random non-famous person they know sucks. "you look like my friend greg" great, do not care, and no i don't

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, June 20, 2024 3:07 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

comments like this where people just have to tell you something that you have no context for are funny like show me a picture give me some info just a crumb anything

(xposts) Didn't know that, but rest assured the photo I called up was just a nice publicity shot on one of the non-English Wikipedia pages. (Can't seem to find it right now.) She seemed genuinely intrigued, hadn't seen Succession, said people have told her she looks like one of the actresses from Game of Thrones or Queen's Gambit or one of those shows, and looking at the photo, all she said was "She's gorgeous." And again, for what it's worth, she wasn't a random stranger; we're in the same badminton club.

Honestly, if the resemblance is there, I do not see the big deal. My mom would tell me I looked like Paul Splittorff (won't mean anything to most people) when I was in middle school. If someone tells me tomorrow I look like Brad Pitt or Walter Matthau or Old Man Potter in It's a Wonderful Life, I'll be fine with that.

Shiv sent many a tweeter to horny jail

rip the shiv roy dump truck ass fancam. never seen succession only that edit!

— e 🇵🇸 (@gloomstalker) February 20, 2021