“I take my responsibilities seriously. I did not lie” - UK politics June 23 on

Yup, don't know whether that would affect her majority but it's purely transactional.

Keir’s constituency must have at least that many (if not more) Muslim voters.

But you don’t have to be Muslim to find the leadership’s fudges to be appalling.

sorry about the source, this is from the 2011 census anyway

https://www.conservativemuslimforum.org/can-we-help/resources/muslim-demographics-by-constituency/

Here are the results on SNP’s motion calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

125 ayes, 293 noes.
The defeat is to be expected, details on which Labour MPs defied Starmer will be coming soon.

At least three shadow mins have quit from The Guardian blog:

In the last few minutes, Afzal Khan has resigned as shadow minister for exports, Paula Barker has quit as shadow minister for devolution and the English regions, and Yasmin Qureshi has stepped down as shadow women and equalities minister.

Fleas deserting the flea circus

Jess Phillips resigned!

Message to MPs:
We are watching. We will not forget.#CeasefireForGazaNOW pic.twitter.com/iLAM4PVr2x

— Chris Nineham (@ChrisNineham) November 15, 2023

Mikey Walsh
@thatbloodyMikey
I actually cannot believe this.. Layla Moran shut down while speaking about family dying in Gaza, Lammy stands up, offers condolences, then goes on to urge people not to support a ceasefire.. Margaret Beckett interjects, & states she wont even use the word "Ceasefire". Monsters

Assuming it’s this vote, the breakdown is here

https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1666

I already thought Lammy was a despicable arsehole, but he's finding new levels recently

https://votes.parliament.uk/divisions/downloadcsv/1666?house=Commons

The list of those who voted against:

Ayes
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Diane Abbott (Independent - Hackney North and Stoke Newington)
Tahir Ali (Labour - Birmingham, Hall Green)
Rosena Allin-Khan (Labour - Tooting)
Hannah Bardell (Scottish National Party - Livingston)
Paula Barker (Labour - Liverpool, Wavertree)
Apsana Begum (Labour - Poplar and Limehouse)
Clive Betts (Labour - Sheffield South East)
Mhairi Black (Scottish National Party - Paisley and Renfrewshire South)
Paul Blomfield (Labour - Sheffield Central)
Steven Bonnar (Scottish National Party - Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill)
Deidre Brock (Scottish National Party - Edinburgh North and Leith)
Alan Brown (Scottish National Party - Kilmarnock and Loudoun)
Karen Buck (Labour - Westminster North)
Richard Burgon (Labour - Leeds East)
Dawn Butler (Labour - Brent Central)
Ian Byrne (Labour - Liverpool, West Derby)
Liam Byrne (Labour - Birmingham, Hodge Hill)
Amy Callaghan (Scottish National Party - East Dunbartonshire) (Proxy vote cast by Marion Fellows)
Dan Carden (Labour - Liverpool, Walton)
Alistair Carmichael (Liberal Democrat - Orkney and Shetland)
Wendy Chamberlain (Liberal Democrat - North East Fife)
Sarah Champion (Labour - Rotherham)
Douglas Chapman (Scottish National Party - Dunfermline and West Fife)
Joanna Cherry (Scottish National Party - Edinburgh South West)
Daisy Cooper (Liberal Democrat - St Albans)
Jeremy Corbyn (Independent - Islington North)
Ronnie Cowan (Scottish National Party - Inverclyde)
Angela Crawley (Scottish National Party - Lanark and Hamilton East)
Stella Creasy (Labour - Walthamstow)
Jon Cruddas (Labour - Dagenham and Rainham)
Judith Cummins (Labour - Bradford South)
Ed Davey (Liberal Democrat - Kingston and Surbiton)
Martyn Day (Scottish National Party - Linlithgow and East Falkirk)
Marsha De Cordova (Labour - Battersea)
Martin Docherty-Hughes (Scottish National Party - West Dunbartonshire)
Allan Dorans (Scottish National Party - Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock) (Proxy vote cast by Marion Fellows)
Peter Dowd (Labour - Bootle)
Sarah Dyke (Liberal Democrat - Somerton and Frome)
Colum Eastwood (Social Democratic & Labour Party - Foyle)
Jonathan Edwards (Independent - Carmarthen East and Dinefwr)
Julie Elliott (Labour - Sunderland Central)
Tim Farron (Liberal Democrat - Westmorland and Lonsdale)
Stephen Farry (Alliance - North Down)
Marion Fellows (Scottish National Party - Motherwell and Wishaw)
Stephen Flynn (Scottish National Party - Aberdeen South)
Richard Foord (Liberal Democrat - Tiverton and Honiton)
Mary Kelly Foy (Labour - City of Durham)
Barry Gardiner (Labour - Brent North)
Patricia Gibson (Scottish National Party - North Ayrshire and Arran)
Patrick Grady (Scottish National Party - Glasgow North)
Peter Grant (Scottish National Party - Glenrothes)
Sarah Green (Liberal Democrat - Chesham and Amersham)
Margaret Greenwood (Labour - Wirral West)
Fabian Hamilton (Labour - Leeds North East)
Claire Hanna (Social Democratic & Labour Party - Belfast South)
Neale Hanvey (Alba Party - Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath)
Drew Hendry (Scottish National Party - Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey)
Wera Hobhouse (Liberal Democrat - Bath)
Kate Hollern (Labour - Blackburn)
Rachel Hopkins (Labour - Luton South)
Stewart Hosie (Scottish National Party - Dundee East)
Rupa Huq (Labour - Ealing Central and Acton)
Imran Hussain (Labour - Bradford East)
Christine Jardine (Liberal Democrat - Edinburgh West)
Afzal Khan (Labour - Manchester, Gorton)
Ben Lake (Plaid Cymru - Ceredigion)
Ian Lavery (Labour - Wansbeck)
Chris Law (Scottish National Party - Dundee West)
Emma Lewell-Buck (Labour - South Shields)
Clive Lewis (Labour - Norwich South)
David Linden (Scottish National Party - Glasgow East)
Rebecca Long Bailey (Labour - Salford and Eccles)
Caroline Lucas (Green Party - Brighton, Pavilion)
Kenny MacAskill (Alba Party - East Lothian)
Angus Brendan MacNeil (Independent - Na h-Eileanan an Iar)
Khalid Mahmood (Labour - Birmingham, Perry Barr)
Rachael Maskell (Labour - York Central)
Andy McDonald (Independent - Middlesbrough)
Stewart Malcolm McDonald (Scottish National Party - Glasgow South)
Stuart C McDonald (Scottish National Party - Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East)
John McDonnell (Labour - Hayes and Harlington)
Conor McGinn (Independent - St Helens North)
Anne McLaughlin (Scottish National Party - Glasgow North East)
John McNally (Scottish National Party - Falkirk)
Ian Mearns (Labour - Gateshead)
Carol Monaghan (Scottish National Party - Glasgow North West)
Layla Moran (Liberal Democrat - Oxford West and Abingdon)
Helen Morgan (Liberal Democrat - North Shropshire)
Grahame Morris (Labour - Easington)
John Nicolson (Scottish National Party - Ochil and South Perthshire) (Proxy vote cast by Marion Fellows)
Brendan O'Hara (Scottish National Party - Argyll and Bute)
Sarah Olney (Liberal Democrat - Richmond Park)
Kate Osamor (Labour - Edmonton)
Kate Osborne (Labour - Jarrow)
Kirsten Oswald (Scottish National Party - East Renfrewshire)
Sarah Owen (Labour - Luton North)
Jess Phillips (Labour - Birmingham, Yardley)
Anum Qaisar (Scottish National Party - Airdrie and Shotts)
Yasmin Qureshi (Labour - Bolton South East)
Bell Ribeiro-Addy (Labour - Streatham)
Lloyd Russell-Moyle (Labour - Brighton, Kemptown)
Liz Saville Roberts (Plaid Cymru - Dwyfor Meirionnydd)
Naz Shah (Labour - Bradford West)
Andy Slaughter (Labour - Hammersmith)
Alyn Smith (Scottish National Party - Stirling)
Cat Smith (Labour - Lancaster and Fleetwood)
Alex Sobel (Labour - Leeds North West)
Chris Stephens (Scottish National Party - Glasgow South West)
Jamie Stone (Liberal Democrat - Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross)
Zarah Sultana (Labour - Coventry South)
Sam Tarry (Labour - Ilford South)
Alison Thewliss (Scottish National Party - Glasgow Central)
Owen Thompson (Scottish National Party - Midlothian)
Richard Thomson (Scottish National Party - Gordon)
Stephen Timms (Labour - East Ham)
Jon Trickett (Labour - Hemsworth)
Valerie Vaz (Labour - Walsall South)
Claudia Webbe (Independent - Leicester East)
Philippa Whitford (Scottish National Party - Central Ayrshire) (Proxy vote cast by Marion Fellows)
Nadia Whittome (Labour - Nottingham East)
Hywel Williams (Plaid Cymru - Arfon)
Munira Wilson (Liberal Democrat - Twickenham)
Beth Winter (Labour - Cynon Valley)
Pete Wishart (Scottish National Party - Perth and North Perthshire)
Mohammad Yasin (Labour - Bedford)

56 Labour rebels on a 3 line whip.

heartbreaking.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-_781dXYAAt-vx?format=jpg&name=large

Shower of cunts

xp rebels get the barest quantum of credit for this, like ok you are human congrats

I see my MP (Helen Hayes) spoke for ceasefire and then never voted for it. Hilarious politicking.

23,582 = number of muslims in my mp john cryer’s constituency as of 2011

20,808 = his 2019 majority

have fun explaining your vote john

Fuck Starmer, fuck Dodds (my MP) and any one of these fucking useless cunts who didn't vote in favour of this. If an army enters a hospital and starts shooting people then they are committing a war crime, end of. I am voting Green at the next election, and next time I see Dodds at an Oxford City FC match I will have no hesitation in telling her that to her face. As Donald Sassoon put it, "Britain has a two party system but no opposition".

I really hope this fucks Labour at the next election, partly out of petty hatred, but also because I think it is genuinely dangerous for minorities and vulnerable people's continuing existence in the UK to have a centre-right duopoly with the trad conservative party housing lunatic fascist fringes. You can see how that style of democracy has worked so well in the US. I think some of the *quiet* Labour MP's who voted the correct way are still going to either lose their seats or have an uncomfortably diminished majority over this. It seems insane that taking a standard article II definition of genocide as correct and a very bad thing when it is occurring, is a hill that a Labour LOTO has decided to die on, but that is the brains trust behind Kieth.

so you want the Tories to get back in again, is that it?

shut the fuck up, mr gamana|!

I meant disagreeing with the article II definition of genocide in prevaricating mealy-mouthed sound bites... but early morning brane

fucking hell, I thought this thread was a safe space from *tory enabler* speak, but here we don't go!

Anagram must be joking

apologies, if they were joking

some arguments in favour of the tories winning in 2024:

* incompetent evil is probably less effective than competent evil
* would possibly destroy the right wing of the labour party for a generation (though otoh 1992 would seem to disprove this)
* personal humiliation for kieth and his mates would be quite funny
* general nihilism and/or accelerationism if that's your bag

(to be clear I still hate them and want them out for a variety of reasons, but you have to look on the bright side sometimes)

I really hope to god Reeves isn't competent or the blob manages to undermine any of her more dangerous ideas, because personally speaking, to me she is Hitler and worries me more than the tory govt shambling on.

I was not joking. I'm a moderate Labour supporter who wants to see Starmer in No.10.

Good luck to you, sir

i am enjoying this bit

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I was not joking. I'm a moderate Labour supporter who wants to see Starmer in No.10.

anagram, I have friends and acquaintances who are, or were, contributors to this message board who take (or took) a similar line, and quite frankly, save yourself lots of hassle, accept that this is not the place for you.

contra the trope, I have found myself becoming significantly more left-wing as I have got older, so feel comfortable posting here, although most of the time I lurk and enjoy the commentary of people more eloquent and erudite than me.

Regret to inform that wanting Starmer in No.10 does indeed count as wanting the tories in.

Do you mean the whole of ILX is not for me, or just this thread? I've been posting here since 2009!

xp

i am enjoying this bit

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 November 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Gotta enjoy something, you only have one life.

I was not joking. I'm a moderate Labour supporter who wants to see Starmer in No.10.

anagram, I have friends and acquaintances who are, or were, contributors to this message board who take (or took) a similar line, and quite frankly, save yourself lots of hassle, accept that this is not the place for you.

i should clarify

i also thought anagram was being funny

i am not now enjoying their bit

it still might be a bit

maybe we have to rearrange the letters from his post to get it

Did poster anagram have anything to say about the racism of the Labour Party towards Muslims or did I miss it?

Btw - as someone who has served THREE temp bans FROM THE ENTIRE BOARD FOR A WEEK - Starmer supporters can post here, in the sense that no one can thread ban you for it. There may just be push back on any contortions you make the day after many Lab MPs chose to abstain on a Gaza ceasefire motion.

I am so fucked off about the media framing discussions about Gaza as an argument between Muslims and Jews. All the Labour MPs shown advocating for ceasefire on the BBC news last night were Muslim; other ceasefire advocates are available!

There's different outliers (Labour doesn't have a Suella Braverman, the Tories don't have a Diane Abbott) but the two parties are largely overlapping bell curves.

I am a moderate right wing authoritarian and I hope to see Kieth Starmer in number 10

tbh I'm totally shocked that REDACTED doesn't give a fuck about REDACTED

I think we can all agree that James Cleverly trying to convince people he didn't say something and, in the course of the denial, convincing everyone he did, is pretty amusing.

https://x.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1725062267752919254?t=iFWhqCrBijLWn3QzZmFuPw&s=19

I am a bastion of respectability politics and nothing gets my vote like a white man in a suit making a load of sad noises about how he’d love to vote against war BUT

i know a few labour-moderate soi-disant-centre-left types who don't like starmer one bit but are willing to bite the bullet. speaking for myself, much as i violently despise the tories i really don't want to vote for labour either. one problem is that there are vast acres of space between the odious starmerite position and full tankie, a huge segment of the political spectrum which is essentially homeless rn, arguably save for the greens but they're as usual refusing to jump on the wide-open opportunity to make some ground. it's a pleasing fantasy to imagine the labour left defecting greenwards (well, for me at least, i know there are a few green haters itt, hello there) but also on the cusp of labour almost definitely winning an election by a long way, for many of these mps political expedience will trump principle, they are uk politicians after all. it's a shame layla moran (whose voting record is to the left of almost every current labour mp) didn't become lib dem leader or i'd be rather annoyingly rooting for them rn. on second thoughts maybe it's a good thing

"biting the bullet" = voting for genocide enablers, transphobes, friends of business

well yeah, this is why i don't want to vote for them, but a lot of decent if underinformed (or purblind) people are able to let that become background noise

if it's background noise then you're not decent, sorry i don't make the rules