rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

^^^ lots of otm this past hour imo.

I know this isn't important but a big part of what made 2016 so traumatic is just seeing all the most horrible and thoughtless people in the country celebrate as though their entire godawful and oppressive worldview was suddenly validated. And they got the reward they craved so badly, which was getting to hear people like me whine about it.

otm

and it's the high they continue to chase by any means necessary

I know this isn't important but a big part of what made 2016 so traumatic is just seeing all the most horrible and thoughtless people in the country celebrate as though their entire godawful and oppressive worldview was suddenly validated.

history of the Democratic Party

Seeing ghouls like Jeff Sessions cavort on stage that night was truly awful.

Which brings me back to, again, my mixed feelings over the self-realization that, yup, I in fact don't even vote for or against candidates anymore but rather against specific groups of people in the U.S. (I guess maybe I take that to the ILXORs over 40 thread ...)

and it's the high they continue to chase by any means necessary

what's crazy to me is it's 2023 and right wing memes are *still* using the same few "triggered liberal" pictures that they've been using for seven years now, almost implying the guiding light to everything they do is making these particular people upset

who I really feel bad for is this person:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/triggered-feminist--2

idk if she was ever identified but if you watched the full video that still comes from she's not really upset at all, in fact she comes off rather calm and rational but she just has an expressive face and someone got an unfortunate freeze frame of it. and now she's been the poster child for "triggered SJWs" for close to an entire decade because these guys have no natural sense of humor and can only share the same jokes and memes over and over and over again. they're still doing the Pepe the Frog shit for god's sake! feel like there's a good character piece about her waiting to be written.

I've never seen that!

That's the thing I've noticed about conservatives--they run their jokes into the fucking ground. They are like the guy who says, "Are you working hard or hardly working" twelve times a day. They were still going on about Teddy Kennedy into the 00s. They are still going on about Shrillary. It is less about actual humor than some kind of mating call they do for each other.

I always thought the triggered feminist meme worked because she looks a bit like a young Elizabeth Warren.

Conservative "humor" always, always comes at someone else's expense.

Also, it makes sense. Conservatism is inherently advocating for going backwards in time.

I used to work with this lady who loved to point out that we had this restaurant near the lake called "The Oar House". To her this was the funniest thing that has ever happened in human civilization. I swear every single day I'd hear her talking about it. Especially during lunch time..."Should we go to the Oar House? You know, the Oar House? Do you understand what I am saying? It sounds like Whore House? Has anyone ever heard of The Oar House?". Anyway, this woman had some thoughts about Barack Obama

At my old job one of the partners would walk around the office every Friday and every Friday, at every desk he stopped by, he would lead with "are we done yet?" as if it was the most witty possible thing to say.

I find enthusiastic anti-Trump Democrat party boosters absolutely exhausting and frequently as deluded and myopic as the nutjobs at a Trump rally in their own way, not directed at anyone here. But I understand how racial minorities/trans people with absolutely legitimate fears for even their right to exist if a white supremacist Mussolini wanabe won, can both either decide to cover their nose and vote against the danger or decide they hate the Dems enough not to support them. What angers me about this godawful iteration of democracy through fear is how it suits the agenda of all the worst people in both parties to have a fascist bogeyman who wins the odd election. Admittedly this is based on the continued existence of general elections and the existing constitution. Oh fuck knows, I'm a Brit so apologies if this is is annoying.

I find enthusiastic anti-Trump Democrat party boosters absolutely exhausting and frequently as deluded and myopic as the nutjobs at a Trump rally in their own way

Don't turn on MSNBC.

At my old job one of the partners would walk around the office every Friday and every Friday, at every desk he stopped by, he would lead with "are we done yet?" as if it was the most witty possible thing to say.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, November 3, 2023 2:34 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LtjzQaFZ3k

don't worry. it's the US constitution's paranoia about allowing democracy to function that is beyond annoying.

Democrat party boosters

As yr British I’ll assume this is an honest mistake, but fwiw “Democrat party” is a dumb right-wing insult here in the US of A. They refuse to say “Democratic” on the ostensible grounds that it isn’t really democratic. (It’s weird that they still do this now that conservatives have decided that democracy itself is bad, but I think it’s so engrained at this point that they can’t help it.)

sorry about that, pure ignorance on my side here. lol, how the Trump Cases turned me into a budding Fred B wading into a\ political culture I know nothing about.

I for one enjoy your enthusiasm for this madness

That's how I see it as well. I have a lot of issues with Biden too, but if I'm being honest he's almost certainly the best President of my lifetime.

― frogbs, Friday, November 3, 2023 11:06 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Aren't you older than me? You probably got a year or two of Carter, no?

I find enthusiastic anti-Trump Democrat party boosters absolutely exhausting and frequently as deluded and myopic as the nutjobs at a Trump rally in their own way, not directed at anyone here. But I understand how racial minorities/trans people with absolutely legitimate fears for even their right to exist if a white supremacist Mussolini wanabe won, can both either decide to cover their nose and vote against the danger or decide they hate the Dems enough not to support them. What angers me about this godawful iteration of democracy through fear is how it suits the agenda of all the worst people in both parties to have a fascist bogeyman who wins the odd election.

every word of this is otm

despite my feelings expressed above biden is far and away better than carter

I'm interested to hear more on this, I could imagine Biden has Jimmy licked on domestic policies like student debt relief and doing grand performative gestures like turning up on picket lines. Stuff like the latter I'm completely cynical about, but my head would explode if the UK LOTO did the same.

Carter's easier on the eyes tho

I'm interested to hear more on this, I could imagine Biden has Jimmy licked on domestic policies like student debt relief and doing grand performative gestures like turning up on picket lines. Stuff like the latter I'm completely cynical about, but my head would explode if the UK LOTO did the same.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino)

Student debt relief isn't really his to claim credit for. The Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPS bill, taking COVID seriously (in early 2021, that is), his positions on the WGA and auto strikes -- these are real achievements I can endorse, not to mention the pace at which he appointed judges.

Good summa: https://www.vox.com/politics/23697855/joe-biden-popularity-legislative-record

to interrogate an old Cronenberg shocker quote "even old flesh is erotic"!

Yeah, well I've seen his new flesh and consider the source

Yeah, well I've seen his new flesh and consider the source

― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.),

Back to the Copacabana.

You sly puss.

long live the new flesh

Meet the new flesh, same as the old flesh

Can't be held responsible
We were only fleshmen

Flesh for fantasy

carter for the hose

The Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPS bill, taking COVID seriously (in early 2021, that is), his positions on the WGA and auto strikes -- these are real achievements I can endorse, not to mention the pace at which he appointed judges.

These but also I think he's done a lot of climate/environment stuff that really doesn't get talked about all that much. the money to 9/11 victims, extending temporary protection for Venezuelan immigrants, PACT act, Afghanistan withdrawal, Ukraine support, lifting sanctions on Rojava

He's not exactly the best publicist for some of these things, and in some ways I think people are still seeing the virgin 2020 candidate and not the chad president. I'm not sure there's ever been a wider gap between two candidates before either.

His poll numbers took a serious hit after the Afghanistan withdrawal from which he's never recovered, yeah

Aren't you older than me? You probably got a year or two of Carter, no?

― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, November 3, 2023 8:26 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

86, dog

How would you rate him in comparison to Eisenhower?

I wasn't that worried before, but now I am

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.html

Polls a year before an election don't mean jack -- and I simply don't believe that Trump leads in Michigan. People -- Dems -- are simply not paying attention now. Too damn early.

Cue the chorus of “fuck you NYT” but I’m with you jaymc

It's in our nature to fret.

Also:

Discontent pulsates throughout the Times/Siena poll, with a majority of voters saying Mr. Biden’s policies have personally hurt them.

Is it too much to ask for evidence -- a quote from Larry at the diner who wonders why he couldn't take two summer vacations this year because Brandon?

I agree that a lot can change in a year. I do think that Trump won't be as attractive to voters as he becomes more visible on the campaign trail.

What I worry about is how sticky the "Biden is too old" and "The economy is terrible" narratives have proven to be.

alfred you ask for evidence but when confronted by the poll results you say they don't mean jack. so what would you accept as evidence?

Trump dead of a coronary.

Also once campaigning begins in earnest it’s likely Trump’s campaign message will be “I wuz robbed in 2020” and that’s a proven loser of a message already.

And, I can’t stress this enough, he’s going to pick an absolute lunatic (probably someone who lost last year like Kari Lake) as his running mate, and that will have a negative effect.

re: economic narrative, I know we all like Line Goes Up graphs showing that actually the economy is doing gangbusters but I don't know many people for whom that's a, uh, lived experience. I don't have a large close social circle but there were more layoffs among my friends over the last year than ever. Electricity prices here remain almost double what they were a couple of years ago, housing (rental) prices have only continued to spiral. Are those Biden's fault? Clearly not but economic malaise always gets dumped on the man/party in the White House. Thank god gas remains relatively cheap.

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2023/10/31/the-economy-versus-the-economic-system/