Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

lol A+. I can't believe I just listened to 2:24 of this idiot, but it was edifying to learn that we have gone to "communism, Marxism, fascism" since he left office. I must have missed the memo.

It's been hard out here.

I'll try to get out of the habit of posting tweets, but this was posted by Erica Orden:

Judge Engoron just tore into Trump, accusing him of having potentially violated the gag order again with comments he made outside the courtroom. Judge said he is under the impression Trump again disparaged his law clerk. Trump lawyer Chris Kise argued Trump was referring to Cohen

Here is what Trump said: "it would have been fair at least...because no negative jury would vote against me. But this judge will, because this judge is a very partisan judge with a person who's very partisan sitting alongside… perhaps even much more partisan than he is.”

The judge said: "I am very protective of my staff, as i should be…I don’t want anybody killed." After Kise claimed Trump was referring to Cohen, Judge Engoron said he would take the matter under advisement.

More Engoron: "I stated the last time that any future violations would be severely punished.
Why should there not be severe sanctions for this blatant, dangerous disobeyal of a court order?"

The judge is now closing the courtroom with Trump and lawyers still in there.

Trump just exited the courtroom. He refused to say what happened during the conference.

He denied that his earlier comment was about the clerk but he refused to answer multiple questions about who he was referring to.

lock him up!

Ok but "disobeyal"?

Disobeying, disobedience, defiance, flouting, ignoring... those are words

I don't say evasion, I say avoision

OED allows it, dates from 1889 xp

lock him up!

Ad inifinitum.

dornaldo troomps for prions

Oh shit, looks like the judge put Trump on the stand, found him not credible, and fined him $10,000 on top of the previous $5000. Which, sure, is not a lot in Trumpworld, but you know it pissed him off.

nbd just a judge doing judge stuff

what a jack...butt...munch...ass

if you double it every time it gets pretty big fast tho as we know from the story of the chessboard and the rice

I mean, this is the guy who looked at an eclipse. You tell him not to do something, he's gonna do it.

he had to be referring to Engoron's law clerk, because Cohen isn't "sitting alongside" the judge. So either Engoron is making empty threats or Trump has to be jailed.

More about the whole thing.

https://themessenger.com/politics/trumpg-gag-order-violation-judge-engoron

In terms of 'empty threats,' the worst thing Engoron could have done would have been to simply throw him in the slammer immediately. Letting him hang himself on his own rope is a much better approach and if Kise tries to file an appeal or complain the next level up goes "Yeah, and how many times was he explicitly instructed about this, and how many ways did you try and skate?"

frankly surprised Trump hasn't just lied and said he's in jail and taken a video in some cheap Spirit Halloween prisoner costume behind cardboard bars

imagine the FUNDRAISING

Remarkable exchange between the judge and Trump’s lawyer at the end of the day.

When Robert requests a directed verdict again, the judge snaps: “Absolutely not,” adding that he doesn’t regard Cohen as a “key witness.”

“There’s enough evidence in this case to fill this courtroom,” he adds.

#BREAKING from @NBCNews team inside courtroom:

“TRUMP IMMEDIATELY GETS UP AND STORMS OUT OF THE COURTROOM WITH SECRET SERVICE AGENTS CHASING AFTER HIM….COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED AND SURPRISING TO HIS OWN ATTORNEYS …COURTROOM GASPED”

— Shawn Reynolds (@ShawnReynolds_) October 25, 2023

deal from strength or get crushed every time

I've had enough of this - good night!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 25, 2013

If you can't beat 'em, pretend beating them is beneath your dignity.

at this rate he's gonna talk himself into the death penalty

it'll take 16 Big Macs to calm him down

gratifying AF but until he’s in debtors’ prison it’s temporary. XP

So it sounds like the sequence is:

Cohen says on stand that Trump did not directly tell him to inflate values.

Trump lawyer asks for directed verdict because this testimony absolves Trump

Judge says good try, Cohen isn't even a key witness.

Trump gets up and storms out

Imagine him running you can't.

I'm imagining it alright, but he starts off running in place and not getting amywhere

with Hanna-Barbera sound fx playing on background

just like when I to type on my phone.

lol, I need caffeine

I want a GIF of Trump running that is accompanied by "Yakety Sax"

So if you get up and storm out of your trial, at which you are (afaict) appearing voluntarily, can you be charged with contempt? Barring that, how about just for being a big drama-queen asshole?

Does anyone know the source of his beef with this court clerk?

My court experience is limited, but I generally don't hold political views of the staff... perhaps an earlier encounter?

He's got a great Deep State-dar.

iirc, one of the early stories about Trump's first statements attacking the clerk mentioned that during some of the more routine and preliminary court proceedings the clerk presided rather than the judge. my sense is that Trump is especially outraged by having a 'little nobody' kind of person in charge of any aspect of the case and treating him like any defendent. it afflicts his rich kid, spoiled, ex-presidential ego because such underlings should only appear in the role of doing his bidding and getting out of his way. I don't know if they are, but if the clerk is also a POC, that outrage would apply x10.

This is the clerk he doxxed right?

he posted a pic of the clerk that was taken with Chuck Schumer and inferred they were having an affair iirc

Yes, he called her "Schumer's girlfriend."

he probably doesn't know what 'partisan' actually means, but heard it from Bannon or someone and thinks that it makes him sound smart

Never forget “…a very against police judge” from… 2018, i think?

How does he cope with so much winning in court? Just needed to release the tension with a much-deserved victory lap? He won his case 10 times already, must be hard

A contempt citation might be another $5,000 fine, which he can simultaneously ignore, appeal/challenge, and fundraise off of. Or do a Jim Carrey "I _AM_ in contempt!" speech.

But I wait in joyful hope for jail time

he doesn't even need to be there, but who else will properly glower at the witnesses?

https://i.imgur.com/htqlu5A.jpg

what do you think would happen to any other defendant who decided to just storm out of a courtroom like that?

Good question frogbs. Of course, I can't recall very many times that a defendant had been head of state and therefore (theoretically) in charge of the entire government?

(Not defending this repugnant worthless ass, of course. Just saying that it's just a pretty novel situation.)

Judge Ben Stiller looks on as Colin Jost testifies

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:eco,dpr_2.0/rockcms/2023-10/231225-donald-Trump-on-stand-ew-445p-c4abd1.jpg

what do you think would happen to any other defendant who decided to just storm out of a courtroom like that?

Keep thinking about this and wonder how many people have been tackled by the bailiffs for doing this.

yeah but bailiffs are usually not up against secret service agents