Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

oh just noticed he hadn't done it again, it was the failure to delete the og post and it was still up on his campaign site for several weeks after the gag order.

Right I mean there are crimes via posting but this is just standard Trumpposting which anyone could do. Not a huge distinction I admit

looks like Chesebro is now also pleading guilty

Here we go:

NEW: Kenneth Chesebro, alleged architect of the “fake electors” plot, has struck a plea deal with prosecutors in Fulton County, Georgia, per source familiar with the arrangement. — Anna Bower, Lawfare

And he was in direct communication with Eastman and Clark and types like that. Fun!

bring it

fuck me, this was the guy who was marching with Alex Jones, wearing a maga hat on jan 6th!

excuse me, I've gotta flip this Cheesebro

When one cheese bro falls, they all fall.

Yeah this is kinda amazing -- they were the ones who wanted to force their trials early, got it, and then folded, something that otherwise might not have happened for months if at all. Truly self-owns; let's see what he agreed to give up.

Guys, guys, I'm getting...hopeful?

shhh lol

even just a few days ago I heard a practising lawyer on a legal podcast saying it was unlikely that true believer Trump cultists like Powell and Cheesebro would flip.

I'm sure Lindell will continue holding the line

this does feel like something of a moment

10/20/23: MAGA has fallen

pour one out for the cheesbro

et tu chesebro

more like chesemelt amirite

No bro of mine

grate expectations

none of these people were going to do 20 years for trump.

is it true that biden already has more followers on truth social than trump? because if true that is pretty funny. crowd size and all. sorry if talked about already.

The Biden campaign has more than the Trump campaign: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/biden-truth-social-followers-trump

gotta think truth social isnt too long for this world

yeah a bit misleading because Trump doesn't really have a "campaign" like Biden does, I'm sure Trump the person has more Truth Social followers than anybody

6.4M compared to the two campaigns' collective 45K

dt is a campaign unto himself

I can only assume anyone who signs up for Truth Social automatically gets subscribed to Trump, MySpace Tom style

xp He is large, he contains multitudes

Looks like a similarish arrangement to Powell, except he's pleading guilty to a felony, ergo I'm sure he's got a lot more stuff to spill:

Chesebro pleaded guilty to 1 felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents. He will be ordered to serve 5 yrs probation, pay $5,000 in restitution, complete 100 hrs of community service, write a letter of apology to citizens of GA, and testify truthfully at trial. — Sam Gringlas, WABE

after previously just having a sketchy concept (well, clueless tbh) of what a RICO case is and how it works from watching The Sopranos and other US crime movies and stuff. This has been very educational for me.

It has been mentioned previously, but just to reiterate, RICO statutes in the state of Georgia are very broad, covering many types of crimes that do not fall under RICO at the federal level. This has led prosecutors, including Fani Willis, to pursue RICO charges in some fairly unconventional cases, and has at times raised ethics questions concerning those cases. Doesn't mean that's an issue for this particular case, but it is context to keep in mind.

A little more under the radar since Trump wasn't charged there directly but per WaPo:

Also this week, a Michigan prosecutor told a judge she had reached a cooperation agreement with one of the 16 Republicans who had signed official-looking paperwork falsely claiming Trump had won that state.

The judge on Thursday dismissed the charges against Trump elector James Renner, but neither side made public the terms of the prosecution’s deal with him.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) in July charged Renner and 15 others with eight felony counts each, including forgery and conspiracy to commit forgery. The prosecution of the others is ongoing.

xp

I don't like the idea of RICO being used against groups of ordinary citizens with no connection to power because making something a conspiracy seems to dispense with some of the ordinary legal protections defendants would have. But idgaf about this one!

Protestors of the planned law enforcement training center in Atlanta have been charged under the RICO statute.

Sixty one of them, to be precise.

Some them for run of the mill activism. Once you define something as a criminal enterprise then anyone who does anything to help it is a co-conspirator.

Yeah, it's like the government deciding you are a "terrorist."

i fucking hate trump. his hair looks fucking ridiculous in that courtroom. who goes to court with their hair like that?

i loved when jimmy kimmel said the other night that you are so used to trump being a scumbag that you forget what a dick he is!

sorry. just needed a good old-fashioned FUCK TRUMP. i'm good now.

Biden campaign should buy truth social and use it to deprogram his cult.

I have no doubt there will be some abhorrent use of RICO. Tbh my interest in this one is mainly just for entertainment. I just need the distraction from how depressing everything else is.

more like chesemelt amirite

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra),

curtain call for this, very good

otm

Without commenting on this particular situation, FYI there are civil claims under RICO statutes too. Civil RICO claims can be brought by the government or by private citizens. There is no prison time in civil RICO claims.

So not every instance of a RICO case will mean someone's in jeopardy of going to prison.

Well I guess anyone in a courtroom is in jeopardy of going to jail if they behave badly enough. I just mean prison not a remedy under civil RICO.

BREAKING: Attorney JENNA ELLIS is taking a plea deal in Fulton County. She's pleading guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings

— Tamar Hallerman (@TamarHallerman) October 24, 2023

For those the can't or won't read Twitter (fair!), she goes on to post:

The terms:
5 years probation
$5000 restitution to the Georgia Secretary of State’s office
First offender status
100 hours community service
Apology letter
Testify truthfully
No communication with co-defendants, witnesses and media
Additional recorded statements to prosecutors

And as someone else posts:

Nice little reminder that as these various co-defendants plead guilty they're all implicating Trump in different prongs of the larger RICO conspiracy.

the fact that the sentences are so lenient has to be pretty appealing to the rest