Israel to World: "Suck It."

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Judith Butler in the LRB

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n20/judith-butler/the-compass-of-mourningl

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 14 October 2023 14:38 (seven months ago) link

Von der Leyen getting pretty sharply criticised by the Irish Times, a paper about as right wing and pro EU as they come, almost surprising to me.

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2023/10/13/as-von-der-leyen-visits-israel-is-the-commission-overstretching-its-powers/

Her approach has caused deepening unease within European institutions and in national capitals as Israel undertakes what the Taoiseach has described as “collective punishment” against the people of Gaza, cutting off water, food and electricity, and now ordering over a million people to evacuate in 24 hours to the alarm of the United Nations.


Even Leo Varadkar didn’t mince his words.

I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Saturday, 14 October 2023 15:30 (seven months ago) link

i've seen a few pieces, maybe upthread, maybe elsewhere, that are stressing the historic meaning of Irish neutrality and that seems to be a big factor in emphasizing the distance from von der Leyen's bullshit

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 October 2023 15:34 (seven months ago) link

That’s not it (I haven’t seen those pieces though). Irish people have historically sympathised with Palestinians. Varadkar is very right wing but is also descended from colonised people on both sides, I was honestly shocked he said that tbh.

I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Saturday, 14 October 2023 15:41 (seven months ago) link

fair point, i know about the sympathies of northern irish catholics especially. maybe the writers playing up neutrality are old tories trying to justify not jumping on team colonialism at the moment

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 October 2023 15:50 (seven months ago) link

id not call IT nor varadkar anything further than centre right- about where starmer labour is? but ofc who knows if these measures even mean anything in current environments

but was very pleasantly surprised by his comments, yes

as much perhaps about fending off the shadow of SF on EU neutrality and palestine as anything else i suspect (im not sure varadkar has individual moral positions tbh) but welcome and id say definitely much more representative of the public position than the other EU leaders ive seen

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 October 2023 16:50 (seven months ago) link

anyone have non-paywalled butler ?

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 14 October 2023 18:04 (seven months ago) link

https://archive.ph/NJppT

Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 14 October 2023 18:06 (seven months ago) link

thank you

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 14 October 2023 18:07 (seven months ago) link

Went to the London demo earlier. It was good.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2023 18:48 (seven months ago) link

Oh it's not paywalled (I think?) - I just added in an extra character: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n20/judith-butler/the-compass-of-mourning

I was if anything more surprised at Micheal Martin saying that "That call by Israel should be rescinded"

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 14 October 2023 19:16 (seven months ago) link

this probably not helpful but fucking hell

Here is footage showing moments before and after an Israeli airstrike that hit civilian convoys fleeing Gaza:
Dozens of evacuees reportedly killed.#ForcedDisplacement#DisproportionateAttack#GenocideinGaza
Guardian, 10/14/23, 19.10 BSThttps://t.co/oO2pZYe5oX

— 𝚓𝚎𝚊𝚗𝚗𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎 𝚜𝚖𝚢𝚝𝚑 🌻 🇪🇺 (@smyth_jeannette) October 14, 2023

blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 14 October 2023 19:22 (seven months ago) link

War crimes don’t come much easier to prove than that

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 14 October 2023 19:37 (seven months ago) link

Palestine Action left a message overnight for the @BBC: spreading the occupation's lies and manufacturing consent for israel's war crimes means that you have Palestinian blood on your hands #ShutBBCDown https://t.co/wjAPXo8GjJ pic.twitter.com/l5xLYXKVeD

— Palestine Action (@Pal_action) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2023 21:07 (seven months ago) link

Thousands are gathering for a pro-Palestinian march in central London.@SkyNewsAdele spoke to one of the protesters who says the "root of this violence is the occupation".

Israel-Hamas war latest ➡️ https://t.co/5HylWXsPOL

📺 Sky 501 and YouTube pic.twitter.com/DZ1hxyrzEL

— Sky News (@SkyNews) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2023 21:41 (seven months ago) link

Seen photos and videos of marches in London, Liverpool, Glasgow, Milan, Montreal.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2023 21:42 (seven months ago) link

"Grief Yes - Despair No," by Palestinian artist Abdel Rahman Al Muzain, 1982. pic.twitter.com/7xNV4I94fE

— tabitha 🌞 (@thetolerantweft) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2023 22:37 (seven months ago) link

Interesting thread from an analyst. Picked out this tweet.

The conflict will feed global bigotry, hatred, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, hostility to the US and Europe, etc. It may all be significantly worse than the 9/11 era. 11/X

— Rex Brynen (@RexBrynen) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2023 22:43 (seven months ago) link

Fwiw, Hasan Abi doing a Palestinian medical air fundraiser https://tiltify.com/@hasanabi/palestinian-medical-assistance

US$350k+ raised so far

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 14 October 2023 22:51 (seven months ago) link

Multiple Israeli airstrikes on southern Gaza-this is where people were told to seek refuge. https://t.co/qaDjJV1q8w

— Mohammad Alsaafin (@malsaafin) October 15, 2023

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 October 2023 02:32 (seven months ago) link

I know that raw emotion isn’t helpful right now, but fucking hell

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 October 2023 02:37 (seven months ago) link

Re: Hasan Abi’s fundraiser: I donated but I’m wondering -and this question might sound stupid- how will the funds or equipment actually get into Gaza (assuming that’s where they’re destined)?

keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 15 October 2023 03:42 (seven months ago) link

Hoping that external pressure has at least caused the blocking of power food etc to be stopped.
Would be so great if the rest of the world were woken up to conditions in Gaza finally. Maybe far fetched cos they haven't been so far.
Israel will continue to be a nation of victims for indefinite generations not aggressors. Still stuck with the idea you would hope that trauma victims would do something to reduce trauma not channel it onwards. Which may be over positive.

Stevo, Sunday, 15 October 2023 07:17 (seven months ago) link

"My grandfather survived Auschwitz, and that is why I fight for a free Palestine."

The words of Talia Baurer from Jewish Voice for Peace, who was one of 57 people arrested at a solidarity demonstration for the people of occupied Gaza in New York City. pic.twitter.com/zNQWtfn9mx

— AJ+ (@ajplus) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 08:58 (seven months ago) link

PALESTINIANS IN GAZA ALREADY TRIED THIS! They held peaceful marches to the Israeli fence on the “border” and the IDF responded by FIRING LIVE AMMUNITION AT THEM! They shot THOUSANDS of Palestinians! THIS WAS LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO! https://t.co/1ZCNJkAoqs https://t.co/646krzkhRj

— sam (@halaljew) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 09:04 (seven months ago) link

Misspelling Gandhi is a good sign the poster will be an expert in non-violent resistance. Presumably he's also a big fan of Luther Martin King.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 15 October 2023 09:51 (seven months ago) link

The Judith Butler piece in the LRB is getting hammered but I haven't read it.

The stunning lack of urgency in this piece by Judith Butler—published as Gazans flee for their lives—is its own form of moral failure https://t.co/KUt0cF2wEY

— Tobi Haslett (@tobihaslett) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 09:57 (seven months ago) link

Butler's an academic so i'm not sure what's expected of them here

no gap tree for old men (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 October 2023 10:48 (seven months ago) link

I can understand people having issues with the tone and emphases and I do get it - JB does sometimes infuriate me with their constant hedging and nuancing of everything - the piece didn't offend me and has some good points but I'm not in the firing line and those who are can feel however they want about it

Left, Sunday, 15 October 2023 11:17 (seven months ago) link

Agreed on the tone and emphases but none of the criticism I've seen could be categorized as coming from those in the firing line.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 15 October 2023 11:43 (seven months ago) link

Sheeee a real queeen😮‍💨😮‍💨 pic.twitter.com/f380LneokZ

— free palestine 🇵🇸 (@farah4rk) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 11:44 (seven months ago) link

This threads collates demonstrations across the US.

[Thread] Massive pro-Palestine demonstrations across the United States.

The media isn't giving them enough attention, so here is a roundup:

1) Chicago: 15,000 protestors shut down the streets.pic.twitter.com/H7ADbVm0qs

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) October 15, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 11:50 (seven months ago) link

A very notable shift in messaging that makes me suspect the intelligence coming out of Gaza indicates things are much worse than the public currently knows https://t.co/zL5TXfzVQN

— steven monacelli is posting 🆓 (@stevanzetti) October 15, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 15:29 (seven months ago) link

National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan tells @jaketapper that his Israeli counterparts informed him in the last hour that they have turned the water pipes back on in southern Gaza.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) October 15, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 15:32 (seven months ago) link

when I got to the diversity and inclusion workshop bit I just

Left, Sunday, 15 October 2023 16:18 (seven months ago) link

I don't know much about Mehdi Hasan other than he's an Asian Brit who is semi-famous in the US. But his posting on the conflict seems spot on, taking him off air seems ridiculous and quite racist really.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 15 October 2023 16:18 (seven months ago) link

More on the water situation.

I am from Gaza and I am telling you this is a JOKE.

Israel destroyed many water pipes.

Also, without electricity we can NOT turn on the water pumps.

Water in Gaza does not simply run into the taps. We have to fill water tanks about twice a week. https://t.co/yu7iyPsTOc

— Refaat🇵🇸 (@itranslate123) October 15, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 18:00 (seven months ago) link

I don't know much about Mehdi Hasan other than he's an Asian Brit who is semi-famous in the US. But his posting on the conflict seems spot on, taking him off air seems ridiculous and quite racist really.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino

Medhi Hasan has for some time been MSNBC's most essential on-air person.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 October 2023 18:03 (seven months ago) link

I can understand people having issues with the tone and emphases and I do get it - JB does sometimes infuriate me with their constant hedging and nuancing of everything - the piece didn't offend me and has some good points but I'm not in the firing line and those who are can feel however they want about it

― Left, Sunday, October 15, 2023 6:17 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I thought at first this was about Joe Biden and I was nodding my head sagely

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 15 October 2023 18:08 (seven months ago) link

Hasan and the others weren't removed from the air entirely, just their anchor slots, which makes it even weirder

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 15 October 2023 18:08 (seven months ago) link

xxp
I've seen him interviewing that insufferable jabbering lunatic, the Asian MAGA republican one whose name I can't remember, but fucking hell what a basketcase he was. Mehdi seemed razor sharp and wasn't brooking any bullshit from this clown.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 15 October 2023 18:15 (seven months ago) link

Really good post, very interesting on the breakdown between civilian and police/army deaths, and the implications going forward for the fight against the colonialist West.

This is my analysis I shared with friends on WhatsApp on what happened last weekend, it's significance and why there's so much focus & disinformation on Israeli civilian casualties, but very little on Israeli military losses in the Western media pic.twitter.com/9Ga8KmzB5q

— Fílos of Hippos (@HolyLandRed1) October 14, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 19:00 (seven months ago) link

Medhi Hasan has for some time been MSNBC's most essential on-air person.

Otm. When challenging interviewees Hasan does so without qualification, whereas the Chris Hayes of the world will be more like, "Well some would argue that..."

And I do appreciate a lot of what Hayes brings to the table, esp. on his podcast.

keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 15 October 2023 20:21 (seven months ago) link

I was about to say: among the white guys Chris Hayes is by far the best critical thinker, but I can sense when he hangs fire and lets Hasan, etc. do the talking for him (strategy, etc).

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 October 2023 20:23 (seven months ago) link

"We are going to barbarism if we do not change power. The life of humanity, and especially of the people of the south, depends on the way in which humanity chooses the path to overcome the climate crisis produced by the wealth of the north. Gaza is just the first experiment in considering us all disposable."

La barbarie del consumo basado en la muerte de los demás nos lleva a un ascenso del fascismo sin precedente, y por tanto, a la muerte de la democracia y la libertad. Es la barbarie, o el 1933 global, como la llamo. 1933 fue año donde ascendió Hitler al poder.

Lo que vemos en…

— Gustavo Petro (@petrogustavo) October 15, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 October 2023 21:33 (seven months ago) link

Bien dicho.

keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Sunday, 15 October 2023 21:35 (seven months ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-was-hamas-thinking

this is remarkable

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 October 2023 21:44 (seven months ago) link


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