have you quit the labour party yet?

It's never been anything like as bad in the UK as it is now, not really suprising given the hysteria over Corbyn.

How soon we forget...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/03/ed-miliband-david-cameron-row-gaza-israel-intensifies

i agree the UK public at large is probably not as pro Israel as the public face presented by pols and the media, but the Labour stance is also about pro NATO pro nation states pro The Rule of Law etc etc and there's more alignment there with public sympathies

it's a general world police hawkishness and it's sincere for the majority of the PLP

it seems weird that Ed's position 10 years ago can now be portrayed as an extreme one and an anti-Semitic position by the party and in UK media, and would likely get him instantly sacked from the shadow cabinet if he said it yesterday. Back then it seemed widely accepted as an uncontroversial one for a Labour LOTO even though there was obv some controversy, perhaps mainly amongst conservative Jews who'd likely not vote for him anyway, to Maureen Lipman he was pure evil.

Its ironic because as Tom D suggests, its a trap of Labour's own making - but also one they could just pack up and put away. Without their participation in the AS stuff, it would have gone nowhere (I say participation but they were largely in the driving seat. They could just stop the car, it doesn't work without them)

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/weaponising-jewish-people-is-wrong-sadiq-khan-on-anti-semitism-ulez-and-the-upcoming-electoral-battle/

‘Weaponising Jewish people is wrong’: Sadiq Khan on anti-Semitism, Ulez and the upcoming electoral battl

It's wrong now, when the right people are in charge, but it was very good before

gotta hand it to Sadiq he's been totally consistent on oh hang on

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=sadiq+khan+corbyn#ip=1

sorry wrong tag, fucking google

no idea why it won't past the Politics Home story

In the US I can see that, not so sure about the UK and elsewhere though. Politicians are unconditional ride or die for Israel, sure, but I don't see much evidence that the public is. There's a disconnect on this, I don't think the politicisation is there.

― anvil, Saturday, 14 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

France have outlawed protests and I've seen heavy police presence in Germany.

The heavy police presence in Germany is very noticeable, but whether we see something similar in the UK in regard to heavy public support for Israel I think looks unlikely at this stage,

Ed Miliband could criticise Israel because he’s Jewish, but that made him the wrong sort for people like Maureen Lipman (who immediately phoned a client journalist to say she was withdrawing support for Labour). Don’t forget that he made the two-state solution official party policy and pissed off all the Israel hawks. When he was subject to antisemitic proxy attacks on his ‘disloyal’ dad in right-wing papers, very few people (apart from eg. Owen Jones and Jeremy Corbyn) pointed out the tropes involved.

The sort of people who ‘Labour antisemitism’ worked on (and helped to whip it up on the right of Labour) were mostly centrist Remainers and media liberals with reach. The same people who thought it was awfully funny to call Peter Mandelson ‘Prince of Darkness’ or a puppet master or whatever, because he was their guy.

For my sins, I watched Question Time on Thursday. JC editor Jake Wallis Simons said that he still didn’t want to support Starmer because he served in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet - that will definitely become a thing during the general election campaign. A Muslim kid in the audience tried to call Simons out for his Islamophobia and related posts on social media and got a ‘sorry if I offended you’-style apology… barf.

Simons straight lied in denying he'd said the exact thing that he had in fact said that his Muslim interlocutor quoted to him

obv the BBC have said nothing about that

He’s ex-Daily Mail, surfuckingprise.

Simons is awful. The dip in support for the Labour Party among the UK Jewish community started with Miliband ironically enough.

Wonder if today’s when Labour revoke Corbyn’s membership for appearing at the big demo - David Evans (current chairman) sent an email to MPs etc saying they/high profile Lab members weren’t to participate in any protests sympathetic to Palestinians (he also sent it to CLP leaders).

Corbyn condemned the Hamas attacks at the start of his speech of course.

He did.

Mandelson of course recently raised his head to remind us that the party is now his again

In highly critical comments about Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn, he also said the last decade before Keir Starmer’s leadership had seen the party with “weak policies, weak unity, weak leaders: weak, weak, weak”.

“We failed as a party to offer a proper alternative to the Conservatives and that is the importance of what Keir has done: reclaiming the Labour party and switching us back from weird to normal is what he has done and I congratulate him,” he said.

One thing you can't say is weak is the doublespeak. Up is down, day is night.

He should’ve been bounced when he had to resign cabinet for the second time.

being best mates with a rapist/sex trafficker of minors and hanging around his house is what someone with a weak sense of morality does.

Not to mention Russian gangsters oligarchs.

However useful it is as a tool to discipline and alienate ‘the left’, there surely has to be a tipping point where it’s just not sustainable.

― ShariVari, Saturday, 14 October 2023 bookmarkflaglink

The cunt is starting to back down a bit. Have seen this from Biden too.

A week ago we awoke to the unimaginable and heartbreaking news of terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza by Hamas.

We repeat our call for Hamas to release all hostages immediately, and for the protection of innocent civilian lives in Israel and Gaza.

My statement: pic.twitter.com/i3e1J8T5Bf

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) October 14, 2023

If you’re on Insta, go look at the comment Owen Jones left on the statement. Totally read him for filth.

to defend herself

what is a woman

The cunt is starting to back down a bit.

I think the politicians are way out in front of the public on this, and I don't think they're going to take public with them either (might have been possible to some degree if Israel had waited before responding). As ShariVari stated thats not sustainable. There aren't Israeli flags flying in Ulverston and Swadlincote and there aren't going to be

There doesn't have to be Israeli flags anywhere. Beyond what the opposition does I can see the current UK government holding right through the next few weeks. No sweat.

Very funny.

Horrific violence that violates fundamental norms of humanity has claimed the lives of over 1,200 in Israel and 1,400 Palestinians, including 447 children.

The way that war is conducted matters. The IRC is calling on the international community to ensure the following: (1/8)

— David Miliband (@DMiliband) October 14, 2023

Be interesting to see if OJ urges people to vote Lab in a year.

if he does it will be falling on deaf ears in Batley + Spen, cue the George Galloway circus coming back to town. They were lucky to squeak a win in the byelection, a feat that won't be repeated next time.

i can definitely see him coming out with some equivocating "with heavy heart" low level endorsement, sadly

Lol a careerist says...

Lamentable. All he had to do was to read the statement by UN Secretary-General, Antonio Guterres before coming on. Personally, I don't think he is up to being Foreign Secretary. https://t.co/HgPxvitSfW

— Mark Seddon (@MarkSeddon1962) October 15, 2023

They are all in it for themselves, etc.

I don't what his career ambitions have to do with the question, is he inferring that you need to be a disgusting mealy mouthed coward and a liar to be foreign sec. If that's the case he's qualified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqwb29Fz4rI

11 of 15 Labour members in one council leaving the party over Starmer's bullshit is, if nothing else, extremely funny https://t.co/uiEry4d03v

— angery foosh 🐟 (@teaandrobots) October 15, 2023

extremely funny is the correct answer!

i bet Stroud's a right hot-bed of militant socialism tho

lots of middle class hippies there iirc so who knows

Fuck off.

Last Saturday, Hamas engaged in the biggest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust.

Jewish people everywhere are understandably grieving and traumatised.

Those of us opposing the mass slaughter in Gaza aren't belittling this. We just don't want more innocent people to die

— Owen Jones (@OwenJones84) October 14, 2023

As this tweet earlier put it.

‘ biggest loss of Jewish life since the holocaust’ is a form of holocaust minimisation and leftists shouldn’t be uncritically repeating it. Reality is terrible enough without this.

— jewess in distress (@rachelcohen7) October 14, 2023

taking sides: being instinctively pro war crimes vs triangulating the optimum level of pro war crimes

NEW: I’m told the Labour leadership arranged an urgent meeting with council leaders last night about the party’s messaging on Gaza amid fears of pending resignations

At the heated meeting David Lammy and Keir Starmer’s chief of staff Sue Gray were told they only have days to act

— Shehab Khan ITV (@ShehabKhan) October 17, 2023

Lubaba Khalid, a Palestinian photographer who had been Young Labour BAME (black, Asian and minority ethnic) officer, said last week that she had handed in her resignation.

She wrote on X that she was “absolutely appalled” by Starmer’s comments, which she said were “reaffirmed” by the shadow attorney general, Emily Thornberry. Labour was “no longer a safe place for Palestinians and Muslims”, she said.

They managed to get rid of Corbyn by claiming the Labour Party was no longer a safe place for Jews, they're running out of people to alienate.

Lots of the Labour right, despite their “no u” accusations of focusing on political purity over results, would gladly see the party lose winnable seats if it meant sloughing off Muslim voters, who they consider beneath their contempt.

Here's hoping Muslim voters in Holborn & St Pancras (of which there are quite a few) decide to switch their votes.

Or just stay home. I think calz said it upthread but this is how you get cunts like Galloway elected.

Lots of the Labour right, despite their “no u” accusations of focusing on political purity over results, would gladly see the party lose winnable seats if it meant sloughing off Muslim voters, who they consider beneath their contempt.

― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Tuesday, 17 October 2023 13:12 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm sure you saw the councillors who resigned were called "fleas" yesterday by a Labour source (who happens to have a veto on candidate selection).