Israel to World: "Suck It."

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A lot going on.

Hamas received official proposal for women and children hostage/prisoner exchange negotiated by Qatar https://t.co/yHMk8MX98g

— ‏تمار 🌴 Тама́р 🌴 תמר (@tamars) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 17:12 (seven months ago) link

When you see woke everywhere

Imagine forming a government so right wing it accuses the Shin Bet and IDF of being woke. pic.twitter.com/gQs5gepkbt

— Joe Kassabian (@JoeKassabian) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 17:44 (seven months ago) link

"the killings will make people angry?" okay, SJW!

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 9 October 2023 17:48 (seven months ago) link

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-gaza-area-bombed-after-warning-to-move?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Social_Traffic&utm_content=ap_ppnjlavxa1

Palestinians in Beit Hanoun were instructed by the Israeli army to leave their homes and head for the city centre. Hours later, the city centre was targeted

plax (ico), Monday, 9 October 2023 18:10 (seven months ago) link

its cool how you can just say this about whatever situation. drawn into a broader conflict. drawn into a broader conflict. drawn into a broader conflict https://t.co/E8IaBVeTkP

— joolsd (@joolsd) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 19:41 (seven months ago) link

The Rafah corridor is hit. So it may be Israeli policy to deprive 2.3 million people of food and water.

This is a war crime under Additional Protocol 1 of the Geneva Conventions. Israel is not party to it; the U.S. has signed but not ratified. Nearly every other state has. https://t.co/Vcd58FuVPp pic.twitter.com/NRfU6tHtaD

— Emerson T. Brooking (@etbrooking) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 19:43 (seven months ago) link

the EU is retracting the plan to suspend aid apparently

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 19:51 (seven months ago) link

Abbas Kamel, the powerful head of Egyptian intelligence, warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 10 days before the attack, Ynet reports.

Kamel warned Israel that “something unusual, a terrible operation” was about to take place around Gaza.

Kamel was reportedly aghast at Netanyahu’s passivity upon hearing the report.

Egyptian sources tell Ynet that Netanyahu responded that IDF forces were focused on fighting terror in the West Bank, where deadly terror attacks against Israel were being carried out.

Netanyahu’s office calls the Ynet report “a lie.”

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 19:52 (seven months ago) link

This is reported by an Israeli paper and getting a lot of play in Israel. I still would think it was incompetence and arrogance rather than malice, but fuck

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 19:54 (seven months ago) link

On C4 news, Tzipi the pinhead (Israeli ambassador to UK) tried to argue that Israel was not breaking international law because they were not occupying Gaza.

steely flan (suzy), Monday, 9 October 2023 20:11 (seven months ago) link

Sadistic display of mass murder. https://t.co/poOPMpOgb4

— Mohammed El-Kurd (@m7mdkurd) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 20:13 (seven months ago) link

Interesting on attitudes.

A sign of how much US popular and journalistic attitudes have changed. I did this exact chart at Vox during the 2014 war and got screamed at for weeks. David Frum accused me of agitating for murder of Jews. Ted Cruz condemned. Now it’s on the NYT HP without a blip. pic.twitter.com/4bK1sxj0de

— Max Fisher (@Max_Fisher) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 20:16 (seven months ago) link

Netanyahu is truly a monster on par with Hitler and Pol Pot.

beamish13, Monday, 9 October 2023 20:19 (seven months ago) link

It's desperation too

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 20:23 (seven months ago) link

Palestinian ambassador Husam Zomlot tells a packed fringe at #Lab23 that he lost six family members in Gaza two hours ago. pic.twitter.com/q5QZuGhonL

— Clare Hymer (@ClareHymer) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 20:43 (seven months ago) link

seems the commissioner was just doing major EU policy on the fly

Pleased Ireland was part of the pushback

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/9/eu-suspends-development-aid-payments-to-palestinians-after-hamas-attack

plax (ico), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:19 (seven months ago) link

I don't know if this has been posted already or not.

MUST-WATCH interview on CNN. Genuinely shocked they have aired it. pic.twitter.com/madjVCpBOb

— David Adler (@davidrkadler) October 8, 2023

read-only (unperson), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:19 (seven months ago) link

It has.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:22 (seven months ago) link

Very interesting to watch Al-Jazeera now. If the Saudis are leaning toward recognising Israel that hasn’t trickled into the reporting on Al-J.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:27 (seven months ago) link

Just anecdotally in re public attitudes in America, I'm struck by how many of the NPR-liberal folks on my social media timelines basically think Israel is its own worst enemy here. Everyone horrified by/condemning the Hamas attacks, but the overriding response I'm seeing is, "Well, what did Israel expect?" Again, these aren't DSA members or people further to the left, they're Joe Biden liberals. I think it's a pretty big change from 20 or even 10 years ago. I'm sure Netanyahu's lusty embrace of Trump is part of it, but a lot of it is just the Israeli government's actions over and over again.

Israel is currently dropping 1/15th of the daily munition load of WORLD WAR TWO on a 24 mile stretch of land https://t.co/8Nhq6fx4zU

— A Small Loan of an Apartheid Emerald Mine (@brandon_lighty) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:31 (seven months ago) link

xp yeah that is not happening in my circle of nominally liberal jews

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:37 (seven months ago) link

I can imagine.

The CNN interview is good and the ending describing how there is no acceptable way to oppose Israel is very powerful. But Barghouti's assertion that Hamas was "mainly attacking military establishments and installations" is just untrue. I also very much doubt that the majority hostages are soldiers.

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:39 (seven months ago) link

Several Palestinians in the West Bank killed, including a 17-year-old, shot in the back, running towards a demonstration. Caught on tape.

Islamic Jihad skirmishes on the Lebanese border.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:41 (seven months ago) link

If Netanyahu knew and didn't do enough to avert: fucked. If he didn't know: fucked. Dude is fucked up either way. Curious how Israel feels about this 'leadership'

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:42 (seven months ago) link

He is going to kill as many Palestinians as he can and the West is going to ask how they can help.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:45 (seven months ago) link

even if he didn’t directly ignore intelligence about the attack, netanyahu and the ultra orthodox psychos he’s made his bed with are completely to blame. for their insane decision to protect the illegal west bank settlements with the full force of the idf, refusal to acknowledge that an eternal blockade of 2 million people might not be a tenable status quo, his appointment of insane ideologues to key security positions, etc

is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:46 (seven months ago) link

😕

Ed Markey was strongly booed by Boston crowd for calling for deescalation.

15 mins later, @JakeAuch seemed to respond directly:

"Deescalation is not possible when they are taking hostages. Israel did not ask America to deescalate on September 12, 2001. We stand w/ Israel.

— Gabby Deutch (@GSDeutch) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:49 (seven months ago) link

the thing that with the benefit of hindsight everyone can agree was a smashing success: America's response to 9/11

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:50 (seven months ago) link

Big statement just released from Biden, Macron etc about “steadfast support” for Israel

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:51 (seven months ago) link

apparently Israel will make no effort to protect the hostages while bombing Gaza. wonder how many Gazans will need to die before Western countries start gently saying "oh that's enough now." It's really sickening.

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:53 (seven months ago) link

American promises of weapons and equipment for Israel. Moving an aircraft carrier closer to Gaza!

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 October 2023 21:54 (seven months ago) link

A decent explainer given the source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/gaza-strip-controls-s-know-rcna119405

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:54 (seven months ago) link

Al Jazeera is mostly staffed by ex-BBC broadcasters and journalists including my old friend Imran Khan, who is currently reporting from Ramallah. I’m terrified for him but if you’re on Insta he’s @imranism and worth a follow.

steely flan (suzy), Monday, 9 October 2023 21:56 (seven months ago) link

"Deescalation is not possible when they are taking hostages. Israel did not ask America to deescalate on September 12, 2001. We stand w/ Israel.

the thing that with the benefit of hindsight everyone can agree was a smashing success: America's response to 9/11

One of the things that's most strongly come to mind while processing all this. (It's surpassed only by my memory of Rabin's assassination and reading the assassin's chilling and sickening reasoning - altogether my sobering introduction to the perpetual turmoil of the Middle East.) All sorts of responses on my social media feed, at least one classmate has openly chastised everyone she's accusing for being too "quiet" about this, and my immediate thought is my memory of America post-9/11 and the bullying brought on and encouraged by the right for anyone who didn't get behind the push for their horrendous war. (They did not hesitate to evoke the 3,000 dead from 9/11, a pretty shitty justification for the eventual ~110,000 dead civilians from the Iraq War.)

birdistheword, Monday, 9 October 2023 22:23 (seven months ago) link

Context never mentioned in US media- 30 yrs ago, the PLO did everything the US told them to: accepted 2-state solution, renounced violence, recognized & made peace w/ Israel.

In return, Israel only doubled down on occupation & apartheid, & got rewarded w/ unwavering US support.

— Jeff Schuhrke (@JeffSchuhrke) October 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 22:27 (seven months ago) link

there is reporting that many senior members of Hamas leadership were kept ignorant of the attack in order to make sure the plans wouldn't leak. if they didn't know about it, the regular citizens of Gaza definitely didn't know about it. Israel responding to the attack with full-scale collective punishment is so monstrous

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 22:42 (seven months ago) link

It's surpassed only by my memory of Rabin's assassination and reading the assassin's chilling and sickening reasoning - altogether my sobering introduction to the perpetual turmoil of the Middle East.

the most successful assassination in history (people like to say)

symsymsym, Monday, 9 October 2023 22:47 (seven months ago) link

god Rabin feels like 100 years ago now

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 9 October 2023 22:59 (seven months ago) link

It's mind-boggling that the assholes who branded Rabin and the Labor Party as Hitler and the Nazi Party and incited the insanity that led to his death (Netanyahu himself led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin") have won and taken over the country. It's also thoroughly disgusting that there's been an ongoing campaign to free Rabin's unrepentant assassin, a guy who openly expressed his disgust at seeing Palestinians celebrating in peace and harmony with Jewish Israelis, arguing that "we need to be cold-hearted" against the Palestinians.

birdistheword, Monday, 9 October 2023 23:13 (seven months ago) link

god Rabin feels like 100 years ago now

It doesn't to me only because Netanyahu remains a key figure (now more prominent and powerful than ever), but I know what you mean.

birdistheword, Monday, 9 October 2023 23:18 (seven months ago) link

there is reporting that many senior members of Hamas leadership were kept ignorant of the attack in order to make sure the plans wouldn't leak.

Didn't the IRA do almost the same thing when the cities were flooded with informers, segregate major planning to more isolated groups?

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 9 October 2023 23:25 (seven months ago) link

Cell based attacks

real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 October 2023 23:47 (seven months ago) link

A more devastating domino effect of an assassination than Indira Gandhi’s? I guess both really set both countries back by many years

beamish13, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:26 (seven months ago) link

Including people who died from sanctions, the death toll from America’s adventures in Iraq/Afghanistan is in the seven figures

beamish13, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:27 (seven months ago) link

yeah but at least they got rid of the Taliban

symsymsym, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:31 (seven months ago) link

Where America goes, misery follows

beamish13, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:33 (seven months ago) link

When I wrote The Perfect Police State, I hoped to help shine a light on the genocide that the world had overlooked, the largest internment of a people since the Holocaust. Now I write with deep disappointment of so many friends in the Muslim Uyghur, Rohingya, and Syrian refugee…

— Geoffrey Cain 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🇹🇼 (@geoffrey_cain) October 9, 2023

Why would you post this unless you have a fetish for being yelled at online?

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 05:21 (seven months ago) link

wow what an asshole

Roz, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 05:42 (seven months ago) link


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